DogBert wrote:Some glowing reviews of the subways here have me wondering how many of you ride it multiple times a day or even live in NYC.
Byford's CBTC plan will cost $19B. ESA is YEARS behind schedule already. The 7 CBTC took nearly 8 years to complete. 8 years of regular service disruptions (or no service at all) that have lead people to find alternates methods. Ridership is dropping due to slow service and detours. All of this is reported, factual news.
Amazon is NOT funding anything transit related. There was zero mention of the old montauk tracks in the announcement. Zero. Until we get ride of DeBlasio and Cuomo, nothing will change. Neither of them take the subway. Neither of them care what average new yorkers go through every day just trying to get around town.
Meanwhile, month by month, year by year, more and more small one family houses are replaced by large apartment buildings. Service increases lagged behind, and now we're at a point where you've got trains like the N, W, & E that are at crush load capacity with no possibility of adding more anytime soon. CBTC on Queens blvd won't be complete anytime soon, and if it's anything like the 7, it'll run years behind schedule. With or without Amazon, the system cannot handle the current demand, and will not be able to in the future - not without significant added commuting time. Everyone I know who takes the subway allows themselves 20-30 more minutes per ride than they used to. Employers used to expect you to be in the office at a set time... That expectation has disappeared in recent years, because there are constant subway delays.
Amazon is just throwing a fuel can into a fire that no one has the political will to stop.
Want more jobs here? Great. Who doesn't? But maybe invest in a little infrastructure to go with it, so we're not all fighting each other to get onto a train like we're in a third world country.
I never said mass transit here is great. I was saying there will be ways to use mass transit to get around if you take into account delays and MTA does make constant improvements over time.
MTA has lots of projects ongoing to future proof the system but the system is struggling now while work is underway.
At the beginning, Amazon won’t mean much impact for transit riders. If Amazon substantially grows and if another leaseholder takes over from Amazon’s temporary HQ space, then obviously more mass transit would be needed to accomodate the additional use from Amazon, But it will be spread over multiple different ways.
Amazon will not be as detrimental to mass transit as people think. Amazon is getting a lot of media attention but in reality won’t affect commutes that much for existing mass transit users.
More trains, automated signaling, additional stations and trackage, and larger and more ferry boats and terminals will happen over time including road expansion projects, additional bridge spans, and the like. In NYC proper it is hard to squeeze more vehicle traffic in as times are getting much worse with more ride sharing vehicles on the roads so utilizing mass transit more effectively becomes important.