SPEONKNY wrote:njt/mnrrbuff wrote:Yes, that 5:09 train out of NYP on Fridays gets extremely packed. Remember, the only thing that is extra special to a railfan on the Cannonball is the drumhead on the nose of the locomotives. Other than that, the equipment is the same. Keep in mind that these trains that head to the East End have been known to have consistent delays because of overcrowdedness as a result of having to be spotted a few times at one station because many platforms on the Montauk Line can only handle six cars. The Cannonball during the peak season is 12 cars and even at 12 cars, the train is still extremely crowded.All Hampton's trains Friday E/B and Sunday W/B are overcrowded and the short platforms have nothing to do with that. I was at Jamaica yesterday (FRI) around 5 pm and some customers were unable to board the 4:49 Montauk bound train that had originated at Hunterspoint. That train was packed with standees all the way past Patchogue. Why would you want to run a 4-car set all the way from City Zone/Jamaica to Montauk at 5 pm on a summer Friday?
There just isn't enough cars to handle the demand. I haven't heard of any discussion to purchase new or additional equipment, which is sorely needed. It's the same story every summer (the US Open at Shinnecock was another example, not nearly enough equipment to handle the demand).
Afternoon/Evening diesel departures from HPA
2708 149pm normal 8cars, 7/6 - 8 cars
656 340pm normal 3 cars, 7/6 - 3 cars
558 418pm normal 3 cars, 7/6 - 3 cars
2712 430pm normal 4 cars, 7/6 - 4 cars
2778 444pm normal 4 cars (5 cars FRI), 7/6 - 5 cars
560 459pm normal 5 cars (3 cars FRI), 7/6 - 3 cars
662 512pm normal 4 cars, 7/6 - 4 cars
664 547pm normal 6 cars (3 cars FRI), 7/6 - 3 cars
666 608pm normal 4 cars, 7/6 - 4 cars
668 and 566 are not stored during the day in LIC, so I didn't include them. 666 is cancelled 5/25 and 8/31 to provide equipment for train 9708 (318pm extra from Jamaica to Montauk). It was also cancelled during US Open week to provide extra service to US Open.
There aren't many options. Cancel 666 every friday to provide extra cars? Cars are being taken from port jeff / oyster bay to try to provide extra cars to Montauk. Last year was a little better as 664 ran using the MARC coaches, so some cars were added to 2712.
Hopefully next year the LIRR can work things out to get the MARC cars back.
Long term, as far as the next fleet purchase, I would like to see a little more flexibility.
- All locomotives for passenger service should be equipped with 3rd rail shoes for Dual Mode operation.
- All coaches should be cab cars. Each car would have a bathroom. 6 hour round trip to montauk with 1 bathroom? That would put an end to that.
Should there be a problem with the cab car on the west end, you could easily swap out a new cab car (no need to have a 2 car greenport train with 2 engines because a working cab car isn't available) or runaround it, and bury it in the middle of the consist.
- Order a surplus of locomotives and cars to provide service for the growing demand. 666 shouldn't have to be cancelled everytime there's a need for extra service.