Lower Montauk Division Discussion

Discussion of the past and present operations of the Long Island Rail Road.

Moderator: Liquidcamphor

jetset
Posts: 44
Joined: Wed Nov 14, 2012 3:44 pm

Re: No more Lower Montauk!!

Post by jetset » Mon Mar 25, 2013 3:23 pm

So if this train only runs with 19 pax west of Jamaica why not add a stop at Hunterspoint Ave? No more Lower Montauk means they have to pass through this station anyway (at 5 mph I'm sure).

Uncle Cheapo
Posts: 114
Joined: Wed Sep 26, 2012 8:48 pm

Re: No more Lower Montauk!!

Post by Uncle Cheapo » Tue Mar 26, 2013 6:53 pm

C secondary and M.C secondary are under NYA control.

DaveBarraza
Posts: 298
Joined: Fri Aug 31, 2007 10:52 pm
Location: Out Past Ronkonkoma, NY

Re: No more Lower Montauk!!

Post by DaveBarraza » Tue Mar 26, 2013 9:54 pm

Thanks for the clarification on C and MC.

I was aware of the tansfer of the Lower Montauk to the NYA, but was unaware that the section of track would be downgraded to secondary and renamed "NYAR Secondary", which is why I posted the pic from Bliss. Thus the title, the Montauk branch now ends at Hall.

All semantics, I suppose!

EM2000
Posts: 196
Joined: Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:43 pm

Re: No more Lower Montauk!!

Post by EM2000 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 2:06 am

The lower Montauk section is being transferred to NYA and will be freight only
You mean non-Passenger carrying trains.

lirr42
Posts: 2726
Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2011 6:16 pm
Location: Montauk, NY (MP 115.8)

Re: No more Lower Montauk!!

Post by lirr42 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 6:12 am

Nope, just freight trains. Deadheads won't even be able to use the Lower Montauk now.

EM2000
Posts: 196
Joined: Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:43 pm

Re: No more Lower Montauk!!

Post by EM2000 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:19 pm

Nope, just freight trains. Deadheads won't even be able to use the Lower Montauk now.
Wrong. And btw, they proper term is equipment train, not deadhead.

BobLI
Posts: 999
Joined: Fri Mar 12, 2004 7:46 am
Location: NY

Re: No more Lower Montauk!!

Post by BobLI » Wed Mar 27, 2013 12:48 pm

Is the definition of a "deadhead" an employee riding on a pass while not on duty or transferring between runs on that equipment?

SlackControl
Posts: 429
Joined: Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:39 am

Re: No more Lower Montauk!!

Post by SlackControl » Wed Mar 27, 2013 1:10 pm

I didn't know there was a definition for "deadhead". A lot of places refer to moving equipment not in service as deadheading. On the LIRR, equipment not in service being moved is referred to as an "equipment train", and an employee travelling while not performing service, on or off the clock, as a deadheading employee, and that train or other mode of transportation as their "deadhead train" or "deadhead vehicle".

Now, referring to EM2000's comment "You mean non-Passenger carrying trains." I think that was just a sarcastic jab at the media coverage of the *equipment train* that derailed a week and a half ago, which some reporters were referring to as a "freight train", which it clearly was since it wasn't carrying any passengers ;)

User avatar
Tadman
Posts: 9548
Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:21 am

Re: No more Lower Montauk!!

Post by Tadman » Wed Mar 27, 2013 7:13 pm

Yeah I wasn't aware that an empty train HAS to be called an "equipment train" rather than a "deadhead". That isn't to say LIRR lexicon or paperwork doesn't prefer "equipment train", but it's not worth splitting hairs over on a railfan forum.
Dig the new rr.net Instagram account: @railroad_dot_net

EM2000
Posts: 196
Joined: Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:43 pm

Re: No more Lower Montauk!!

Post by EM2000 » Wed Mar 27, 2013 11:18 pm

The term "deadhead" pertains to an employee traveling on a train to/from work or during a tour of duty.

Crabman1130
Posts: 901
Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2005 9:00 am

Re: No more Lower Montauk!!

Post by Crabman1130 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:55 am

EM2000 wrote:The term "deadhead" pertains to an employee traveling on a train to/from work or during a tour of duty.
It also pertains to a passenger train being run to a destination while not in passenger service.

EM2000
Posts: 196
Joined: Mon Jun 06, 2011 8:43 pm

Re: No more Lower Montauk!!

Post by EM2000 » Thu Mar 28, 2013 3:32 pm

Not on the LIRR.

SlackControl
Posts: 429
Joined: Mon Sep 06, 2010 8:39 am

Re: No more Lower Montauk!!

Post by SlackControl » Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:29 pm

This convo seems to be going in circles.

User avatar
Tadman
Posts: 9548
Joined: Wed Sep 01, 2004 10:21 am

Re: No more Lower Montauk!!

Post by Tadman » Thu Mar 28, 2013 8:36 pm

Right, the basics are a "deadhead" is commonly used for either an employee or train travelling but not working, but on LIRR the paperwork and official lingo does not use "deadhead" to refer to an empty moving train. Again, not worth splitting such minute hairs on a railfan forum.

PS - which was better, Rocky V or Rocky 5???

Image
Dig the new rr.net Instagram account: @railroad_dot_net

Dump The Air
Posts: 216
Joined: Sat Dec 30, 2006 1:53 am

Re: No more Lower Montauk!!

Post by Dump The Air » Thu Mar 28, 2013 11:35 pm

Tadman wrote: PS - which was better, Rocky V or Rocky 5???


rocky 5 might be sly at his most incoherent, the entire first act is him making one long "eeehhhhhhh" noise. best one of the bunch.

Return to “Long Island Rail Road (LIRR)”