Virgin/Brightline Stations on Miami-Orlando line

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Re: Virgin/Brightline Stations on Miami-Orlando line

Post by bostontrainguy » Thu Sep 19, 2019 4:23 pm

Anthony wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:28 pm
bostontrainguy wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 7:42 am
BandA wrote:
Thu Sep 19, 2019 1:36 am
Is the ROW wide enough to support an express track to eventually bypass local stations?
Although it makes no sense to me . . .

"Brightline Innovation: First Passenger Train in the U.S. to Utilize Retractable Gap Filler" (extends up to 1 foot from train)

which allows freight trains to pass through passenger stations . . .

every station Brightline has built has a bypass!
The bypass around each station will also serve to keep freight trains on the FEC moving because they won't be held up by passenger trains stopped at the stations.
Do you really think a long slower moving FEC freight train is going to pass a higher-speed Virgin passenger train that is making a quick stop at a station? What happens when the slower freight train gets in front?

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Re: Virgin/Brightline Stations on Miami-Orlando line

Post by ExCon90 » Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:26 pm

"Bypass" is a fairly general term, and I'm not sure how it's being used here. My understanding is that the platforms are built far enough from the track to permit freight trains to clear, while the gap fillers extending from the coaches make a gauntlet unnecessary, with considerable savings in interlocking installation and maintenance compared to a gauntlet. If "bypass" means two through tracks flanked by two station tracks, that would permit an express to overtake a local but as bostontrainguy points out, it will take a lot more than that to avoid conflicts with freights.

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Re: Virgin/Brightline Stations on Miami-Orlando line

Post by Bonevalleyrailfan » Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:42 pm

From what I understand, the bypass tracks in FTL and WPB are for FECR trains that have wide or oversized loads. They are not normally used, although I did see a video of the WPB bypass being used by a freight train since both station tracks were occupied. I would assume any future stations on the FECR route will also have bypass tracks for the same reason.

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Re: Virgin/Brightline Stations on Miami-Orlando line

Post by ExCon90 » Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:13 pm

At FTL and WPB is the bypass track between the two station tracks, with a platform on each side, or is there a center platform with the bypass track on the other side of one of the station tracks?

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Re: Virgin/Brightline Stations on Miami-Orlando line

Post by electricron » Sat Sep 21, 2019 3:06 pm

ExCon90 wrote:
Sat Sep 21, 2019 2:13 pm
At FTL and WPB is the bypass track between the two station tracks, with a platform on each side, or is there a center platform with the bypass track on the other side of one of the station tracks?
https://www.wpbnow.com/wp-content/uploa ... 58x505.jpg

Two tracks, only one track lays next to a platform in this photo. So, it appears there is just one platform track and one bypass track. But, not visible in the photo, there is another track on the other side of the platform. So in reality there are three tracks, two lying next to a single island platform, and a third bypass track.

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Re: Virgin/Brightline Stations on Miami-Orlando line

Post by Bonevalleyrailfan » Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:21 pm

Yes there is a single island platform. The bypass track was used during station construction to allow for freight trains to use the corridor with minimal interruption. That is another big reason why I believe bypass tracks will be installed elsewhere along the FECR. They facilitate construction and afterwards any high/wide loads or unusual situations where both station tracks are occupied. So far the shared dispatching center between Brightoine and FECR seems to be able to keep the pax trains from interfering with the FECR trains. Too bad Amtrak can't afford to do similar. And too bad the states can't afford to contract out maintenance with Siemens on the Chargers. Seems there are issues with parts deliveries. But not sure if that is a maintenance issue or a supplier issue. Preventative maintenance can alleviate a lot of the JIT delivery issues.

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Re: Virgin/Brightline Stations on Miami-Orlando line

Post by ExCon90 » Mon Sep 23, 2019 2:45 pm

Thanks for the details--and the photo.

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Re: Virgin/Brightline Stations on Miami-Orlando line

Post by BandA » Sat Sep 28, 2019 9:17 pm

ExCon90 wrote:
Fri Sep 20, 2019 3:26 pm
"Bypass" is a fairly general term, and I'm not sure how it's being used here. My understanding is that the platforms are built far enough from the track to permit freight trains to clear, while the gap fillers extending from the coaches make a gauntlet unnecessary, with considerable savings in interlocking installation and maintenance compared to a gauntlet. If "bypass" means two through tracks flanked by two station tracks, that would permit an express to overtake a local but as bostontrainguy points out, it will take a lot more than that to avoid conflicts with freights.
By bypass yes I was talking about through vs platform tracks, or even a three-track or four-track railroad.

The gap-fillers on the train coaches nicely solve the freight clearance problem every other passenger railroad has on the east coast. And freights can run through the stations at normal speeds without worrying about platform strikes.

Of course if Amtrak or Tri-Rail wanted to use a Virgin station today they would need to use awkward manual bridge plates.

Freight-interference. The passenger trains generally go around the longer freight trains, not the other way around. If Virgin starts with all island stations the trains can use whichever track is convenient, freights can be scheduled off-peak, etc. This is a big problem for Amtrak vs. host railroads, and the Downeaster thread etc. is full of criticism of PanAm Railroad's practices. Hopefully 20 years from now FEC and Virgin will still be working well together.

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Re: Virgin/Brightline Stations on Miami-Orlando line

Post by electricron » Sat Sep 28, 2019 10:06 pm

BandA wrote:
Sat Sep 28, 2019 9:17 pm
Of course if Amtrak or Tri-Rail wanted to use a Virgin station today they would need to use awkward manual bridge plates.
Amtrak could, but not Tri-Rail. Amtrak and Virgin coaches have floors 4 feet above the top of the rail. Tri-Rail Bombardier BiLevel coaches lower floor is 1 foot above the top of the rail, 3 feet or 36 inches lower. That's one huge step!

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Re: Virgin/Brightline Stations on Miami-Orlando line

Post by ExCon90 » Sun Sep 29, 2019 3:01 pm

Mind the gap ...

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Re: Virgin/Brightline Stations on Miami-Orlando line

Post by chrsjrcj » Fri Oct 11, 2019 5:46 pm

I do not have an article, but Miami-Dade County today agreed to pay for the Aventura station. One additional requirement is that any development on that site must be 100% workforce housing. Miami-Dade County will own the land, so Virgin does not have to be the developer of that housing per se.

It was interesting to see the concerns of the county commissioners. For those that opposed the project, concerns included future access for Tri-Rail (recall that Brightline ended any negotiations for Coastal Link two years ago), the cost to ride the train, and the fact that county tax dollars earmarked for transit are going to a private company and not Metrorail or Metrobus expansion. I mostly agree with the concerns, and believe that this development (in addition to the Boca Raton station) is more or less the final nail in the coffin for Coastal Link.

The vote actually failed at first, but an amendment was added to require any development on the property is 100% workforce housing which ended up swaying enough commissioners to pass. The whole meeting was broadcast on Facebook, although the last 45 minutes may be the more interesting part.

https://www.facebook.com/MiamiDadeBCC/v ... SEARCH_BOX

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