PRR piggyback sign in the weeds at SYR

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PRR piggyback sign in the weeds at SYR

Post by SST » Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:30 am

I'm currently riding Amtrak 284 to penn station. We just left SYR. As we departed and looking out the window I saw a PRR sign laying in the dirt/water. The sign is about 300 feet east of the station platform at the bottom of the embankment. It is about 3 feet in circumference with a white background and red lettering. Didn't have time to get a picture.

I don't know if there are any scavengers in the area but I thought I'd post the possibility. It is damaged due to corrosion. Hope you find it.

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Re: PRR station signage-SYR

Post by Matt Langworthy » Thu Feb 22, 2018 10:46 am

I'm surprised a PRR sign is in Syracuse, because that was traditionally NYC and DL&W territory.
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Re: PRR station signage-SYR

Post by lvrr325 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:14 am

This is close to me.

North side, south side? Where in relation to the switch into the first ward? By your description sounds like maybe north side opposite the switch.

A round PRR sign.. off a truck trailer maybe? However those are more like 5, 6 feet in diameter, they're larger than the tires on the trailer.

If it's where I suspect it is, it's there for a reason; retrieval requires serious trespassing plus it's laying partly in the creek so you risk falling in to get close to it.

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Re: PRR station signage-SYR

Post by BR&P » Thu Feb 22, 2018 11:29 am

lvrr325 wrote:This is close to me.

North side, south side? Where in relation to the switch into the first ward? By your description sounds like maybe north side opposite the switch.

A round PRR sign.. off a truck trailer maybe? However those are more like 5, 6 feet in diameter, they're larger than the tires on the trailer.

If it's where I suspect it is, it's there for a reason; retrieval requires serious trespassing plus it's laying partly in the creek so you risk falling in to get close to it.
Let us know when you have it safely preserved! Image

That was my thought, it's off a TOFC trailer, but after all these years I would not expect it to even be legible. A railfan prank, maybe?

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Re: PRR station signage-SYR

Post by lvrr325 » Thu Feb 22, 2018 12:24 pm

I might take a walk down in there and have a look for myself, but like I said if it's there, it's there for a reason, it's a bitch to get out, both because of the size and the location. There is no easy way to get into it.

I already ran it by someone who might know what channels to go through to get permission to take it.

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Re: PRR station signage-SYR

Post by pumpers » Thu Feb 22, 2018 2:45 pm

After all these posts, I'd be suprised if it is still there tomorrow! (But don't look at me, I am in NJ and not going anywhere).

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Re: PRR station signage-SYR

Post by SST » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:45 pm

It is east of the station and on the south side of the tracks. Climb down through the trees. It's very legible which was surprising to me. I don't really like telling where items are because then they disappear. But this is down in the "ditch" and needs to be rescued. To far from home for me to bother with it. If this were to turn out to be a prank somebody has good artistic hands as the PRR symbol on the sign is perfect. I'm headed home on Saturday morning so I'll try and catch a picture when I pass thru SYR.

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Re: PRR station signage-SYR

Post by BR&P » Thu Feb 22, 2018 9:58 pm

SST wrote: I'm headed home on Saturday morning so I'll try and catch a picture when I pass thru SYR.
I'll bet even money it's not there by then! (and no, I am trying to get rid of stuff so it won't be me that grabs it!) Image

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Re: PRR station signage-SYR

Post by sd80mac » Fri Feb 23, 2018 9:44 am

SST wrote:I'm currently riding Amtrak 284 to penn station. We just left SYR. As we departed and looking out the window I saw a PRR sign laying in the dirt/water. The sign is about 300 feet east of the station platform at the bottom of the embankment. It is about 3 feet in circumference with a white background and red lettering. Didn't have time to get a picture.

I don't know if there are any scavengers in the area but I thought I'd post the possibility. It is damaged due to corrosion. Hope you find it.

was it right at the switch to the spur? that's where 300' from platform is.

Googleearth shows nothing as of 4/17. Unless its underwater. Were there a lot of water in ditch when you passed by?

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Re: PRR station signage-SYR

Post by SST » Fri Feb 23, 2018 2:55 pm

300 feet or less. I only had a few seconds to view it as we rolled out the station. I have no idea where the switch is relative to the sign. From my seat I looked straight down the embankment. No tracks or switches in view.

You won't have to cross any active tracks. Just come thru the trees and down the embankment. Part of it may have been in water. Which is why it's damaged.

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Re: PRR station signage-SYR

Post by lvrr325 » Fri Feb 23, 2018 6:16 pm

There's no easy way to get to it. You can't parade past the station with it, then you have to cross tracks, and pass whatever security the station has.

You can't sneak in behind the business or the ball park because there's a deep ditch there and I'm sure the ball park has security.

You have to walk in from somewhere around maybe Crouse Hinds. Then hope you can get down the bank without falling in the water, hope you can lift what is probably a six foot diameter sign up the bank - they're larger than the truck tires are - through at least 40 years of growth - without getting busted by CSX police or the regular police - and walk it back to the truck you're going to need to haul it in. And they work around CP 290 frequently, plus you'd have to cross the tracks there with it.

I can borrow a POS truck that wouldn't look out of place parked down there. But I don't know if even I want to try to drag the thing out.

If it's gone, it's gone, more power to you. But it's probably a two man job.

Were I to guess, it fell off from a trailer when a train was passing, or it's leftovers from a derailment. Either way it's been there minimum 40 years.

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Re: PRR station signage-SYR

Post by SST » Fri Feb 23, 2018 8:35 pm

Why can't you walk up to security and just tell them what you want to do. Tell the truth. Maybe they'll let you maybe they won't. Years ago while the WSRR was being ripped up I approached the crew and asked for RR ties. They gave me five and even helped us load them.

Granted it's not the same as a live track..........

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Re: PRR station signage-SYR

Post by JoeS » Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:00 pm

Did it look like this?


(NOW - this sign has been in my possession since the early 1970s and is going to either the Salamanca museum or the PA museum in Altoona, depending on my finding out who to contact at these organizations and actually wants it.)
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Re: PRR station signage-SYR

Post by lvrr325 » Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:15 pm

In this day and age no security is going to give you permission to go in there.

I know a guy who knows some people, so I asked him about doing it through the proper channels.

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Re: PRR station signage-SYR

Post by SST » Sat Feb 24, 2018 1:59 pm

[quote="JoeS"]Did it look like this?


(NOW - this sign has been in my possession since the early 1970s and is going to either the Salamanca museum or the PA museum in Altoona, depending on my finding out who to contact at these organizations and actually wants it.)[/quote

Yup. Pretty much. I think "Pennsylvania " is nearly missing. It was the logo PRR which finally got my attention. I just passed thru Amsterdam.

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