Besides paint and colors, how do these differ from the VIA sets? (I understand VIA already has at least one set in revenue service.)
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I understand that the Newport News trains were being equipped with sleepers. With the consists of these trains semi permanently coupled, does this mean once again doing away with sleepers and the additional revenue they would provide?
Mr. Mayes, best accept the "Night Owl" sleeper is "Gone...Gone....Gone; cryin' won't bring 'er back".
The memory will linger on in the hearts of the die-hard railfans that showed up to ride for its short lived "resurrection" during "COVID-eve"
The memory will linger on in the hearts of the die-hard railfans that showed up to ride for its short lived "resurrection" during "COVID-eve"
This equipment isn't coming for a long time. No reason a sleeper (and even a baggage car) couldn't be added/removed in D.C. with the required engine change.
I look at these images and wonder how hard it would be to make a commuter variant. The dual mode functionality would be great to expand commuter services.
bostontrainguy wrote:This equipment isn't coming for a long time. No reason a sleeper (and even a baggage car) couldn't be added/removed in D.C. with the required engine change.The engine change in DC is going away with these new trainsets. It will only remain for the LD services
Mr. Trainguy, OBB and CD RailJet equipment is semi-permanently coupled into the prescribed seven car trainsets. I've never seen a RailJet car in the Salzburg yard - quite visible heading East towards Vienna - just sitting there alone.
Again; the Night Owl Sleeper; Amtrak tried to resurrect it; it flopped (outside the railfan community); it's time to move on.
Be it assured the new NightJet equipment OBB has ordered is "not exactly" compatible with RailJet.
Again; the Night Owl Sleeper; Amtrak tried to resurrect it; it flopped (outside the railfan community); it's time to move on.
Be it assured the new NightJet equipment OBB has ordered is "not exactly" compatible with RailJet.
rcthompson04 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 11:35 am I look at these images and wonder how hard it would be to make a commuter variant. The dual mode functionality would be great to expand commuter services.It would be, but for DMV, Marc and Vre jointly buying dual mode MUs (with a bathroom) would make more sense.
KTHW wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 11:55 amMaybe in five to seven years.bostontrainguy wrote:This equipment isn't coming for a long time. No reason a sleeper (and even a baggage car) couldn't be added/removed in D.C. with the required engine change.The engine change in DC is going away with these new trainsets. It will only remain for the LD services
Gilbert B Norman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:39 pm Again; the Night Owl Sleeper; Amtrak tried to resurrect it; it flopped (outside the railfan community); it's time to move on.Yeah, I was so willing to get up on a Night Owl sleeper, but they killed it. I still would want an "all roomette, save 1 handicap room" sleeper on the Night Owls. Ether way, between Washington to Boston is over 9 hours, so... more of a study is needed first.
Mr. Wolf, the days of a single occupancy room are simply "over".
Yes, the NYC and PRR did have a goodly number of 22 RM "-- Inn's" PRR and NYC "-- Harbor's" in their fleets, for single business travelers, but that was seventy years ago, when they were up against "Mainliner" and "Flagship" DC-6's.
The 12-2-1 Viewliner I configuration.was seized upon when Amtrak realized they were only going to get half the 100 they thought "they had in the bag" and had to settle for 50. I think the order for V-II's should have been configured 8 BR-4RM + shower and Att (only one ADA Room required per train, not car). That would have reflected that those party of two affluent retirees are not about to "indoor camp" doubled up in a Roomette.
Yes, the NYC and PRR did have a goodly number of 22 RM "-- Inn's" PRR and NYC "-- Harbor's" in their fleets, for single business travelers, but that was seventy years ago, when they were up against "Mainliner" and "Flagship" DC-6's.
The 12-2-1 Viewliner I configuration.was seized upon when Amtrak realized they were only going to get half the 100 they thought "they had in the bag" and had to settle for 50. I think the order for V-II's should have been configured 8 BR-4RM + shower and Att (only one ADA Room required per train, not car). That would have reflected that those party of two affluent retirees are not about to "indoor camp" doubled up in a Roomette.
STrRedWolf wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 2:45 pmDo you remember the Executive Sleeper? It ran on the "Night Owl" between D.C. and New York Penn. When my wife was pregnant in 1985 we were traveling between D.C. and Boston in the regular sleeper. When we got to our room it was occupied! They double sold it. The attendant told us we would have to ride coach. Since my wife was very pregnant I knew she would have a difficult night in the coach. Then I got a brainstorm. What if we rode in the Executive Sleeper to NYP and then took the first train out of Penn Station to Boston in the morning? They said sure and that's what we did. We woke up in the bowels of Penn Station early the next morning where the lone sleeper was spotted. An Amtrak Redcap came down to get us and escorted us to the train to Boston. Have to say it was a unique experience.Gilbert B Norman wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 1:39 pm Again; the Night Owl Sleeper; Amtrak tried to resurrect it; it flopped (outside the railfan community); it's time to move on.Yeah, I was so willing to get up on a Night Owl sleeper, but they killed it. I still would want an "all roomette, save 1 handicap room" sleeper on the Night Owls. Ether way, between Washington to Boston is over 9 hours, so... more of a study is needed first.
Brochure:
https://history.amtrak.com/archives/amt ... chure-1985
bostontrainguy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 16, 2022 4:28 pm Do you remember the Executive Sleeper? It ran on the "Night Owl" between D.C. and New York Penn. When my wife was pregnant in 1985 we were traveling between D.C. and Boston in the regular sleeper. When we got to our room it was occupied! They double sold it. The attendant told us we would have to ride coach. Since my wife was very pregnant I knew she would have a difficult night in the coach. Then I got a brainstorm. What if we rode in the Executive Sleeper to NYP and then took the first train out of Penn Station to Boston in the morning? They said sure and that's what we did. We woke up in the bowels of Penn Station early the next morning where the lone sleeper was spotted. An Amtrak Redcap came down to get us and escorted us to the train to Boston. Have to say it was a unique experience.Sadly the Exec Sleeper wasn't during a time where I could take it. I was only 7 at the time.
Brochure:
https://history.amtrak.com/archives/amt ... chure-1985
That said, I have to wonder how many people are doing the DC-Boston route. Yeah, it's about 9-10 hours by rail... Ugh, even Baltimore to Boston by flying is faster and probably cheaper. Damn, I'll have to go to Chicago instead...
Mr. Trainguy, let us not lose sight that there are a few more LIRR and NJT trains in "the bowels" of Penn since your "Execusnooze" experience thirty-seven years ago. Further, lest we forget that the Attendant is "under pay" while the car is parked - and revenue only rolls in while the car is rolling.
With the incidence of crimes against persons on the increase (the bad guys always seem to have a way to get into ostensibly "secure" facilities), there would likely need be a police officer on "guard duty". He too likes to be paid.
Lest we not forget the track on which such was spotted was "out of service" for the five or so hours the car was parked there. Standby power and "honey pots" had to be put in place. Even if there are few if any "0 dark 30" arrivals and departures, that was a window during which maintenance could move forth.
Now hopping on the 787 (
; United is now on a path to retire all their 777's) and going overseas to note that somehow the OBB "Oberführers" appear to be making their NightJet gambit pay off. While in Innsbruck, changing trains from Salzburg enroute to Bolzano this past August, at about 10AM, I did observe a seven car NightJet consist (comprised of DB and SNCF "orphans") that apparently originated at Hamburg. I do not know if the cars had to be vacated on arrival or if they were parked for extended occupancy.
Now back over here, it has been noted at other sites how the early arrivals of #1, Sunset, and #3, Chief, are a source of complaints amongst "the faithful". I'm certain the reason for such is to clear the facility for Metrolinks and Surfliners, as short distance is simply what 21st century passenger railroading is all about.
With the incidence of crimes against persons on the increase (the bad guys always seem to have a way to get into ostensibly "secure" facilities), there would likely need be a police officer on "guard duty". He too likes to be paid.
Lest we not forget the track on which such was spotted was "out of service" for the five or so hours the car was parked there. Standby power and "honey pots" had to be put in place. Even if there are few if any "0 dark 30" arrivals and departures, that was a window during which maintenance could move forth.
Now hopping on the 787 (
; United is now on a path to retire all their 777's) and going overseas to note that somehow the OBB "Oberführers" appear to be making their NightJet gambit pay off. While in Innsbruck, changing trains from Salzburg enroute to Bolzano this past August, at about 10AM, I did observe a seven car NightJet consist (comprised of DB and SNCF "orphans") that apparently originated at Hamburg. I do not know if the cars had to be vacated on arrival or if they were parked for extended occupancy.Now back over here, it has been noted at other sites how the early arrivals of #1, Sunset, and #3, Chief, are a source of complaints amongst "the faithful". I'm certain the reason for such is to clear the facility for Metrolinks and Surfliners, as short distance is simply what 21st century passenger railroading is all about.
Are there going to be any seats in the cafe car or are we going to be forced to stand and eat like in the new Acelas?
Acela "cafe":
Acela "cafe":