Discussion of Canadian Passenger Rail Services such as AMT (Montreal), Go Transit (Toronto), VIA Rail, and other Canadian Railways and Transit

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  by NS VIA FAN
 
The route VIA’s Ocean uses between Moncton and Miramichi could be in trouble. This is CN’s former Intercolonial Railway line via Campbellton.

http://atlantic.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local ... lanticHome

CN’s main freight line in the Maritimes is the National Transcontinental Railway following a shorter route from Moncton to near Riviere-du-Loup. It’s fast and CTC. The Ocean could easily be accommodated on the NTR but it lacks the population of the ICR route. The NTR also hugs the US border of northern Maine through Edmundston, NB.

My take on this.......probably CN manoeuvring for some government funding to maintain the line.
  by chriskay
 
I'm pretty sure you're right - that this is just posturing. Didn't CN recently buy back the line from NBECR?

Though the government may be less inclined to subsidize the eastern NB route now that the Cons have their coveted majority and realize they don't need Atlantic Canada to get elected.

Time will tell, but I also agree this is just brinksmanship.
  by marquisofmississauga
 
If this trackage was discontinued, the (train formerly known as) Chaleur would be in worse trouble than the Ocean; it wouldn't be able to connect with the CN main line. If it was to face discontinuance due to the lack of tracks between Matapedia and Riviere-du-Loup, I wonder if VIA would care? I get the impression that VIA doesn't really want to run the train. It is very unreliable: if Mother Nature doesn't block the line with rain, snow or autumn leaves, then VIA will find an excuse to short-turn it at New Carlisle - usually when it is late. Passengers pay to see the superb scenery - the best is beyond New Carlisle - from the dome, not from a bus. I've been "bustituted" and I can assure everyone the view is better from the train.

I haven't seen any figures, but it's apparent from my experience that the passenger loads are way down on the Gaspe train. The last two trips on which I actually made it to Gaspe there was hardly anyone who rode to or from this end-point. On one trip there were six off at Gaspe and four of those were my "group." The summer consist for a several years included a dining car as well as the Skyline car and four Château sleepers. Now a diner is as much a rarity as the four sleepers. For a while, VIA discontinued all meal service in the Skyline car in the off-season, but after local pressure they restored meal service - but not the chef - in the form of reheated main courses as on the Renaissance diners. I'm told the chef's position is restored during peak seasons.
  by bitf
 
marquisofmississauga wrote:If this trackage was discontinued, the (train formerly known as) Chaleur would be in worse trouble than the Ocean; it wouldn't be able to connect with the CN main line. If it was to face discontinuance due to the lack of tracks between Matapedia and Riviere-du-Loup, I wonder if VIA would care? I get the impression that VIA doesn't really want to run the train. It is very unreliable: if Mother Nature doesn't block the line with rain, snow or autumn leaves, then VIA will find an excuse to short-turn it at New Carlisle - usually when it is late. Passengers pay to see the superb scenery - the best is beyond New Carlisle - from the dome, not from a bus. I've been "bustituted" and I can assure everyone the view is better from the train.
No, the tracks between Matapedia and Riviere-du-Loup are owned by CFMG, which was not bought out by CN and the Feds and the province spent a good chunk of money to upgrade the tracks. (See http://www.proximityissues.ca/Maps/RAC-2004-NB_sub.pdf) Via could either split the train at Charny (since the station is off the main line, though it would require new infrastructure) or run the trains on separate schedules.
  by NS VIA FAN
 
bitf wrote: No, the tracks between Matapedia and Riviere-du-Loup are owned by CFMG, which was not bought out by CN and the Feds.......... Via could either split the train at Charny (since the station is off the main line, though it would require new infrastructure) or run the trains on separate schedules.
No, the tracks between Riviere-du-Loup (St Andre Jct) through Matapedia and onto Moncton (Pacific Jct) are owned by CN. It's only the Miramichi to Moncton (Pacific Jct) section of the line that currently appears to be in trouble.

And yes the Ocean could be split in Charny then again split in Matapedia into Gaspe and Miramichi sections. The Ocean would run through Edmundston on the NTR to Moncton then onto Halifax.