Discussion relating to the operations of MTA MetroNorth Railroad including west of Hudson operations and discussion of CtDOT sponsored rail operations such as Shore Line East and the Springfield to New Haven Hartford Line

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  by DutchRailnut
No there is no news on the Marfesa front but 11 ex west of Hudson Comet II coaches that MNCR owned were transfered last week and are sitting in GCT on track 119 to be taken to Harmon.
The cars are in good shape but need to be modified with Disk assist brakes for service on our side. this was a modification done to Entire non equipped east of hudson years ago.

  by Mr Met
Thanks but which will be here or gone first the new cars or the ACMu's

  by DutchRailnut
the two type of cars have nothing to do with each other.

  by Mr Met
I know but will the neW CARS BE HERE FIRST or will the ACMU's be gone first

  by rrbob
There was a reference to these cars being sold in the April 2004 VRE board meeting minutes. Since then NOTHING has been mentioned about these cars.

http://www.vre.org/about/minutes/minute ... 004.htm#8B

  by DutchRailnut
The VRE cars are to be delivered in New Haven sometime next week. they won't be in service to soon I expect as their are no extra engines.
  by DutchRailnut
State's railcar plan hits snag

By Mark Ginocchio
Staff Writer

September 19, 2004

The state is proceeding with its plan to add railcars to Metro-North Railroad sometime this winter, but the new fleet stands to be smaller than initially estimated by the state and some of those cars could be delayed an additional nine months because of repairs.

Twenty-six used railcars from Virginia Railway Express should be in the state's possession by the end of next month, down from the spring estimate of 38, said Harry Harris, chief of the Department of Transportation's Bureau of Public Transportation. Virginia Railway, which provides commuter rail service in the Washington, D.C., area, wanted to keep five of the cars for a special project and then recently asked Connecticut DOT officials if they could lease an additional seven cars back through July 2006.

Harris said the state would not pay Virginia Railway for the seven leased cars until they are shipped to Connecticut two years from now.

Once the Virginia Railway cars are in the state's hands they need to take contract bids to replace the seats, fix the windows and remove the "VRE" emblem from the side of the cars. Those cars will be on the rails by February, Harris said.

There could be a delay if the wheels, or "trucks," on any of the 12-year-old cars need maintenance.

"We can't tell what condition they're in," Harris said. "The normal process is we replace the trucks every 15 years with Metro-North and that's because we pound them."

DOT officials estimated truck repairs would take at least another nine months, but Harris said he assumes only 20 percent of the new fleet will need it.

"It could even be 10 percent, it could be even more," Harris said. "I have to assume because this stuff wasn't pounded to death that we're not going to find many surprises. We're fairly comfortable that the trucks were well-maintained."

The Virginia Railway acquisition, which will cost the state $14 million for the acquisition of the 33 railcars, is part of DOT's larger plan of adding more seating to the Metro-North and Shore Line East commuter railroad fleets. The DOT hopes it will ease the burden on the state's outdated 30-year-old cars until new state-of-the-art ones can be implemented in 2010.

The Virginia Railway cars, which are diesel engines, will be placed on Shore Line East, and those cars will in turn be transplanted to Metro-North. At 120 seats per car, Harris said even with the reduced number, the Virginia Railway acquisition will still help the state reach its goal of adding 2,000 seats.

Legislators and commuter advocates are not pleased with the possible delays and dwindling numbers.

"This is really disappointing news," said state Sen. Andrew McDonald, D-Stamford, who was unaware there was the potential for a holdup. "This really reflects another example of heightened expectations and diminished productivity."

McDonald said the strategies to repair the rail fleet have been "haphazard and disorganized." He said he was upset the DOT had not made more of an effort to alert legislators of the delays, no matter how small they might turn out to be .

"This is a critical issue and I haven't heard of any of these developments," he said.

Jim Cameron, vice chairman of the Connecticut Commuter Rail Council, said he remains doubtful the state will have enough cars in time for the winter.

"We need as many cars we can get and the timeline is certainly slipping," Cameron said. "We initially heard that these cars would be on (state) property by July or August."

Harris said these cars are not the solution to the problems that have plagued the state's rail system. When the next generation of rail cars arrive, the Virginia Railway cars would be expendable, but for the interim, they should at least be of some help, he said.

"They will take the burden off our current fleet," Harris said. "And the diesel engines are less prone to be affected by the winter weather . . . We're not going into this blind. We're pretty confident."

Copyright © 2004, Southern Connecticut Newspapers, Inc.

http://www.norwalkadvocate.com/news/loc ... -headlines

  by nh chris
The Virginia Railway cars, which are diesel engines, will be placed on Shore Line East, and those cars will in turn be transplanted to Metro-North.
Reading through the journalist's lack of knowledge, I understand from this that MN will be getting cars+engines currently running on the SLE. Does this mean we will get to see some GP-38s, or are we just getting coaches?

  by DutchRailnut
Just coaches and cab cars, no engines have been purchased as of yet.
Conndot has not has GP38's for years now just the GP40phi-2's for SLE service.
those however are to high and keep shorting the wire on their trip to Stamford in summer.

  by Otto Vondrak
Dutch, what happened to the CDOT F7's that they got from Pittsburgh's PATrain? Why did they sell those PATrain sets if they are short of equipment?


  by DutchRailnut
The F7's are at the Railway Museum of New England in Thomaston. the PAtrain equipment was very heavy and was way to slow for Old saybrook service. those cars did not fit on third rail either after a one time trip to Brewster took down 300 feet of third rail.

  by DutchRailnut
What dual modes ?? did we find any ??
we barely got enough to cover our fleet, so when will Conndot buy more ?

  by DutchRailnut
Only one P32acdm is being used on Branch lines, mainly as protect power for Danbury, its running on one of Danbury shuttles. could it be replaced by a FL9 yes , but if another engine fails what to use on a longer train to GCT ????
freeing up one P32ACDM is not gone help pull 26 coaches. any P40's we may buy would need work, as even Amtrak does not store locomotives that are 100% ok. another item everybody fails to look at do the VRE cab cars even have Cab/ATC or ACSES. withoput them they are not gone run.

  by DutchRailnut
There are no Dual modes available now, production stopped with the 4 Conndot units. GE offeres a new Dual mode Genesis but a minimum order of 15 to 18 units need to be ordered to pay for tooling.
out of the emergency transportation fund of 60 million only 15.2 was spend on these cars, so yes there is some money available.
running a FL-9 as control car ?? no way who wants to lug a non productive 100 tons around (even with main engine removed). a full ACSES system will probably be around $100K per car. My suggestion when the cars were purchased was to liven up the 6 remaining FL9ac's and with two units per train run two super expresses, and have two spare units.
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