Siemens to manufacture 83 Airo Intercity Trainsets for Amtrak: Design, Delivery, Acceptance

Railjunkie wrote: ↑Fri Dec 13, 2024 12:54 am

SRich wrote: ↑Thu Dec 12, 2024 6:57 pm Mr Junkie,

You mentioned that beside the Airo trainset(what ever version it will be) Amtrak has still an need for dual modes ALC's is that for the lonely LD train?

The section of the Lakeshore Limited that runs New York to Albany will need a dual mode locomotive. I don't see Airo sets being used on The Maple Leaf or Adirondack either. Rumor has it five to ten years before the Empire see them. But what do I know, I just make them stop and go.
Hopefully I never see any of these "upgrades" before I retire. The last thing you will find me doing is riding a train, thirty years is enough.

You know what would make sense here to me?

Lakeshore becomes Broadway and runs Chicago-Cleveland-Philly-New York, which is more direct for long distance midwest-new york passengers. No more need for motor change in Albany for a long distance train now. Pennsylvanian either goes away or becomes a second frequency. The LSL slot in New York becomes another Buffalo train that always has a dual mode engine.

Seems like this removes some complexity.

if they really wanted to eliminate the complexity they’d probably just make the whole train go Boston - Chicago and offer connections via the Empire Services. Mass wants to build out an Albany - Boston corridor so I really don’t see them dropping 448/449 now.

Or just allow that one train to operate on diesel in Penn.

Either of those make more sense than what they do now.

Heck back in the FL9 later days when they barely ran, supposedly they would coast down into NYP and then a toaster would drag/shove them to the tunnel portal with the Diesel in idle, then cut off and throttle up. Supposedly there is AC wire in the empire tunnel.

Tadman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 12:46 pm . Supposedly there is AC wire in the empire tunnel.

That is correct

Tadman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 12:46 pm Either of those make more sense than what they do now.

Heck back in the FL9 later days when they barely ran, supposedly they would coast down into NYP and then a toaster would drag/shove them to the tunnel portal with the Diesel in idle, then cut off and throttle up. Supposedly there is AC wire in the empire tunnel.

Not supposedly there is wire in the Empire tunnel and it runs a little more than a engine length past CP Empire which is the entrance. There was a time you needed an act of congress to come into or out of Penn under diesel power. Did that move quite a few times in and out, out was way more fun with the grade and slow loading GEs.

Tadman wrote: ↑Sat Dec 14, 2024 11:09 am You know what would make sense here to me?

Lakeshore becomes Broadway and runs Chicago-Cleveland-Philly-New York, which is more direct for long distance midwest-new york passengers. No more need for motor change in Albany for a long distance train now. Pennsylvanian either goes away or becomes a second frequency. The LSL slot in New York becomes another Buffalo train that always has a dual mode engine.

Seems like this removes some complexity.

lordsigma12345 wrote:if they really wanted to eliminate the complexity they’d probably just make the whole train go Boston - Chicago and offer connections via the Empire Services. Mass wants to build out an Albany - Boston corridor so I really don’t see them dropping 448/449 now.

To be honest, I want both: LSL goes Boston-Chicago with an Empire Service connection. The Broadway comes back, Chicago-Cleveland-Pittsburgh-Philly-NYC, and forms part of a second run of the Pennsy because there is demand for more Pittsburgh-Altoona trains.