Discussion of the past and present operations of the Long Island Rail Road.

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  by wintower
 
Anybody know if two sets of equipment were dispatched from Ronkonkoma eastbound for Greenport early this morning?
  by MACTRAXX
 
Win - On Fridays an extra evening train is operated - and a set of equipment is deadheaded east for this service.
During this period the "Scoot" equipment - two C3 cars and one DE30 locomotive - is swapped out weekly.
Eastbound: (5/23/2022 schedule)
Friday Only - Train #254
Leave Ronkonkoma 5:21 PM
Riverhead 6:05 PM
Arrive Greenport 6:45 PM
(Extension of #252 Ronkonkoma-Yaphank)

Monday-Friday - Train #258
Leave Ronkonkoma 7:03 PM
Riverhead 7:47 PM
Arrive Greenport 8:27 PM
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Westbound:
Train #255 - Friday Only - Through to Jamaica
Leave Greenport 8:43 PM
Riverhead 9:22 PM
Leave Ronkonkoma 10:03 PM
Arrive Jamaica 11:04 PM

Monday-Friday - Train #257
Leave Greenport 9:41 PM
Riverhead 10:19 PM
Arrive Ronkonkoma 11:04 PM

On Fridays both sets of Greenport "Scoot" equipment are scheduled to be "side by side" at Greenport
between 8:27 and 8:43 PM - when #255 leaves westbound to Jamaica.

All Ronkonkoma-Greenport "Scoots" serve all six stations on the route: Medford, Yaphank, Riverhead,
Mattituck, Southold and Greenport. The exception is trains that terminate/originate in Yaphank.

MACTRAXX
  by Pensyfan19
 
Any reason as to why there aren't more direct Jamaica-Greenport trains in each direction? Why doesn't 254 pick up passengers at Jamaica and then run as an express to Ronkonkoma before continuing to Greenport?
  by wintower
 
MACTRAXX,
Thanks for the information.
On most mornings an early equipment move passes through Southold east bound around 4:45a. Yesterday morning the equipment move was followed several minutes later by another movement either that or my hearing was fooled by the "doppler effect".
  by MACTRAXX
 
Win -
I checked the current May 23, 2022 Ronkonkoma Branch timetable for the Greenport "Scoot" schedule
and noted on weekdays Train #200 Ronkonkoma-Greenport - making only THREE stops eastbound:
(Arrive Ronkonkoma from NYP 2:42 AM - 1 hour 3 minute connection)
Leave Ronkonkoma 3:45 AM
Medford 3:56 AM
Riverhead 4:29 AM
Arrive Greenport 5:09 AM - Turns for Train #201 - Leave Greenport 5:25 AM
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Saturday, Sunday and Major Holidays (Monday May 30-Memorial Day)
Train #6200 (Connection Arrives at Ronkonkoma from NYP at 4:14 AM)
Leave Ronkonkoma 4:19 AM
Riverhead 5:04 AM
Arrive Greenport 5:44 AM - Turns for #6201-Leave Greenport at 7:01 AM
There are four round trips on the current weekend schedule making all stops between
Ronkonkoma and Greenport - all four round trips make all six stops on the route.

PF - There are TWO main reasons that Friday Train #254 deadheads from Jamaica to Ronkonkoma:
1 - Flexibility - This deadhead equipment train can be sent east when ready to protect the 5:21 PM
eastbound leaving time at Ronkonkoma instead of being "restricted" in the schedule...
2 - A two car nonstop run between Jamaica and Ronkonkoma on a Friday afternoon - prime "getaway"
time - may attract a crowd that would be too large for the two-car train to handle adequately...
Running Train #255 through to Jamaica at 10:03 PM on a Friday night westbound is easier because
the travel demand is much less at that point in the evening offering a nonstop Ronkonkoma-Jamaica option...
MACTRAXX
  by newkirk
 
Pensyfan19 wrote:Any reason as to why there aren't more direct Jamaica-Greenport trains in each direction? Why doesn't 254 pick up passengers at Jamaica and then run as an express to Ronkonkoma before continuing to Greenport?
Shortage of equipment and crews ?
  by MACTRAXX
 
newkirk wrote: Mon May 30, 2022 9:54 am
Pensyfan19 wrote:Any reason as to why there aren't more direct Jamaica-Greenport trains in each direction? Why doesn't 254 pick up passengers at Jamaica and then run as an express to Ronkonkoma before continuing to Greenport?
Shortage of equipment and crews ?
BM - This is due to the equipment situation...There is only so many C3 cars and DE/DM locomotives
to go around - in the Summer the LIRR Diesel Fleet is stretched out to its limits...

Adding new locomotives and multilevel cars (mentioned elsewhere) will help the LIRR meet added seasonal
demand and keep all four diesel routes from experiencing the equipment shortage problems that arise with
the limitations of the existing fleet...MACTRAXX
  by gamer4616
 
Even with reduced service during the pandemic, 254 has been canceled due to shortage of equipment. Usually a 1 or 2 car train.
  by Patch Hog
 
Pensyfan19 wrote: Sun May 29, 2022 1:19 pm Any reason as to why there aren't more direct Jamaica-Greenport trains in each direction? Why doesn't 254 pick up passengers at Jamaica and then run as an express to Ronkonkoma before continuing to Greenport?
Running express to Ronkonkoma would draw a crowd that would disembark in Ronkonkoma after trashing the train.
  by photobug56
 
Running the summer drunk tank trains out east does wreak havoc on diesel country service, and has for years. It's gotten worse and will keep getting worse. They used to lease some old junkers from other commuter railroads. My guess is their loco capacity has reached the breaking point with all the frequent breakdowns.

It would be nice if they were to buy mostly off the shelf locos and cars that (ignoring poor maintenance) would be a bit smaller - just enough to fit through the ESA tunnels - like they could have back in the 1990's, but I doubt they will even consider it. If indeed they buy new diesel equipment before the existing DE DM C3 fleet is unusable.