by Bracdude181
Even so, that’s pushing it especially if they get a big train for Woodhaven. Also gotta worry about where the cars end up after turning around. They could leave those cars at Route 88 I guess.
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AceMacSD wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:41 pm There's no need to return Lakewood to Lakehurst to service. There’s nothing down there. Real conversations were had with real people who actually make the decisions. There’s NO sand business there or in the near future. Unless real business (not I heard so and so wants rail service) opens up on the Toms River line, there's no need to do any work beyond Lakewood.Who are the people you spoke with?
Bracdude181 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 11:18 am I agree, but even without sand they may have no choice but to reopen it. What are they gonna do when F’dale to Freehold reopens, bring Woodhavens train AND freeholds cars all the way down to cross street? Not enough room there!1. Would you please explain why C&D "may have no choice but to reopen" Lakewood to Lakehurst. Who would require that, and why would C&D be obligated?
Have also heard they aren’t going to open the TRIT either.
Bracdude181 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:49 pm Why not look for people around here? Surely there must be one guy down here they can pick up?DRRR is most likely more focused on getting this project out. Also, I'd imagine, most of the customers they could find are along the SOUS and would like to utilize heavier cars, which is not possible with NJT's multiple points of weight restrictions south of South Amboy
HazzanDan wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 4:54 pm 1. Would you please explain why C&D "may have no choice but to reopen" Lakewood to Lakehurst. Who would require that, and why would C&D be obligated?1. If Lakewood-Lakehurst was mentioned in the grant, then they have to do something about it, especially if they got money for it. Does someone have the full details to the grant so we can verify this?
2. As you know, the TRIT now ends at a spur to the contaminated Ciba-Geigy site in Toms River. I have long hoped that, once the ongoing and years-long remediation is completed, a new but different industrial complex could be built there which would use freight rail service. So last week I attended a public hearing about that in Toms River to learn more. The top state environmental staff gave detailed presentations, and they personally told me that no industry will EVER be permitted there again. Since there is probably no other rail-eligible company except Builders General Supply anywhere along the TRIT, it is therefore very unlikely that the TRIT will be restored.
AceMacSD wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 12:41 pm I love the speculation.AceMacSD, if I may and with true due respect sir, you've sounded very confident, like several others on this thread that "There’s NO sand business there or in the near future." Now don't get me wrong, I am not trying to call you out on anything and I sure enough have no specific knowledge in this matter. As I observed Clayton's initial line clearing way back in 2006 and not much has been done since, other than crossing reconstruction by the County, it is looking like you may be very accurate in your statement. The line was cleared initially because Clayton thought they had their shot at THE Tunnel project that Gov Christie struck down.
There's no need to return Lakewood to Lakehurst to service. There’s nothing down there. Real conversations were had with real people who actually make the decisions. There’s NO sand business there or in the near future. Unless real business (not I heard so and so wants rail service) opens up on the Toms River line, there's no need to do any work beyond Lakewood.
JohnFromJersey wrote: ↑Mon Mar 20, 2023 5:53 pm 2. Not surprised. I have been hearing that they want to turn the former site into a solar panel field. Or housing. Which, honestly, is stupid that they'll allow people to live there, but not allow an industry to be there...Recent news describes the plan for the Ciba Geigy site: https://www.nj.gov/dep/newsrel/2022/22_0044.htm
If instead of taking the spur into the ex-Ciba Geigy plant, you continue going East, the ROW is in-tact until the Toms River Park and Ride