Airport light-rail systems: "people movers"

Arguably, the Westinghouse C100 was pretty much the standard for many years in the US and abroad from the 1970's onward to 2001. Ownership passed hands a few times from Westinghouse to Adtranz to Bombardier, and now Alstom.

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There is a fair degree of standardization. Two of the most common are Bombardier's Innovia system and Mitsubishi's Crystal Mover system.

eolesen wrote: ↑Tue Aug 24, 2021 4:43 pm Arguably, the Westinghouse C100 was pretty much the standard from the 1970's onward to 2001.
Ownership passed hands a few times from Westinghouse to Adtranz to Bombardier, and now
Alstom.

Don't forget Daimler/AEG, before AdTranz. AdTranz was a 50/50 joint holding company by Daimler and
ABB, in 1999 become wholly Daimler.

CLamb wrote: ↑Mon Aug 23, 2021 11:55 pm Any thoughts on why there is so little standardization?

Boeing, along with the transit agencies of San Francisco and Boston would be happy to convince you why standardization is a bad idea.

Maybe for brand new build systems you can achieve some success (see: Siemens S70 LRV), but when retrofitting into existing systems it doesn't work out so well. And there's zero need for standardization aside from possibly saving a little bit of money on development cost.

The issue with the Boeing LRV was more Boeing than standardization. San Francisco now operates standardized rolling stock (the Siemens S200 is just a high-floor S70), and Boston is planning to buy off-the-shelf for the upcoming Type 10 order.

The EGE wrote: ↑Wed Aug 25, 2021 2:18 pm There is a fair degree of standardization. Two of the most common are Bombardier's Innovia system and Mitsubishi's Crystal Mover system.

Innovia is a center-rail system, while Crystal Mover's specs have "Guide system: Side guide two-axis four-wheel steering system".

Innovia is used a *lot*.

At airports: Kuala Lumpur MY KUL Aerotrain, San Francisco CA SFO AirTrain, Denver CO DIA automated guideway transit system, Beijing CN PEK Terminal 3 people mover, Singapore SIN (earlier system), Madrid ES MAD people mover, Las Vegas NV LAS people movers, Orlando FL MCO people movers, Pittsburgh PA PIT people mover, Seattle WA SEA Satellite Transit System, Rome IT FCO SkyBridge, Frankfurt DE FRA SkyLine, Sacramento CA SMF people mover, Tampa FL TPA airside lines, Houston TX IAH Skyway, Atlanta GA ATL Plane Train, London UK LGW Shuttle Transit, London UK STN Transit System, Dallas Fort Worth TX DFW Skylink, London UK LHR Terminal 5 Transit, Phoenix AZ PHX Sky Train, Chicago IL ORD Airport Transit System, Dubai AE DXB, Jeddah SA JED, Munich DE MUC, Los Angeles CA LAX Automated People Mover, Chengdu CN CTU,

I earlier misidentified the Denver, Las Vegas, Seattle, and Chicago ones, it seems, and one of the Atlanta ones.

The urban Innovia ones: Miami FL Metromover, Singapore Bukit Panjang LRT, Guangzhou CN Zhujiang New Town Automated People Mover System, Taipei TW Metro Wenhu Line, Shanghai CN Metro Pujiang Line, Bangkok TH Mass Transit BTS Gold Line

Turning to Crystal Mover, here are the airport ones: Hong Kong CN HKG automated people mover, Singapore SIN Skytrain, Seoul KR ICN shuttle train, Dubai AE DXB, Washington DC IAD Aerotrain, Atlanta GA ATL SkyTrain, Miami FL MIA Skytrain & MIA Mover, Orlando FL MCO people movers, Tampa FL TPA Skytrain,

Dubai DXB has Innovia and Crystal-Mover systems at different terminal buildings.

Here are those airport-rail systems that use neither system: London UK LHR ULTra, Zürich CH ZRH Skymetro, Paris FR ORY Orlyval, Paris FR CDG CDGVAL, Jakarta ID CGK Skytrain, Taipei TW TPE Skytrain, Osaka JP Wing Shuttle

The two systems are:

SkyTrain

• Stations: Airport, Gateway Center, Rental Car Center
• Mitsubishi Crystal Mover - rubber tires with side guide rails
• ATL SkyTrain - Wikipedia
• 3 Things to Know About the Atlanta SkyTrain – MARTA GUIDE

The Plane Train

• Stations: airport's concourses
• Bombardier Innovia - rubber tires with center guide rail
• The Plane Train - Wikipedia
• The Plane Train: Getting You There Since 1980 | ATL | Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport
• Here's the woman behind the voice of the plane train at the Atlanta airport - YouTube She does a lot of voice work, and she described how she did a semi-robotic sort of voice for the job.

SkyTrain, The Plane Train, and MARTA have a sort of shared station. MARTA = Atlanta urban rail

The EGE wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:11 pm The issue with the Boeing LRV was more Boeing than standardization. San Francisco now operates standardized rolling stock (the Siemens S200 is just a high-floor S70), and Boston is planning to buy off-the-shelf for the upcoming Type 10 order.

Boston and standardized, off-the-shelf don't go together; Almost everything the MBTA buys is customized in some fashion.

BandA wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:31 am Boston and standardized, off-the-shelf don't go together; Almost everything the MBTA buys is
customized in some fashion.

Except PCCs, but that was long pre-MBTA and the CTC/BTC coaches based on NJT Comets. The closest off the shelf
would be the PATH PA3 based Hawker Siddeley cars, but with some significant differences.

BandA wrote: ↑Tue Aug 31, 2021 1:31 am

The EGE wrote: ↑Thu Aug 26, 2021 12:11 pm The issue with the Boeing LRV was more Boeing than standardization. San Francisco now operates standardized rolling stock (the Siemens S200 is just a high-floor S70), and Boston is planning to buy off-the-shelf for the upcoming Type 10 order.

Boston and standardized, off-the-shelf don't go together; Almost everything the MBTA buys is customized in some fashion.

One impetus of this for the Green Line procurements was the Lechmere loop radius - with that out of the picture they'll be able to simplify their demands.