by RussNelson
Got pictures of the Oneida map and Jefferson County map. Unfortunately, the Lewis county map guardian had no record whatsoever of the railroad map ever being registered there.
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Lehighton_Man wrote:Found a bit more of the ROW going south. Don't know if you had already spotted it Russ.In looking at the map I got from Oneida County, it looks like the railroad crossed the canal at K, just as you suggest, but *did* cross the creek, at O, and continued on that side until the road/canal/creek turned to the south due west of there, at which point it crossed back. There's a very suspicious shadow right about where the map says there should be one. It's on the south side of the creek, so would be difficult to get to until the vegetation is well grown up.
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hojack wrote:I think what you're looking at in Lake delta State Park is the embankments of the original Black River Canal.I don't believe so. The old canal routing joined with the new routing just north of the Delta Lake State Park. The thing I'm looking at in the lake is north of that.
I was always under the impression that the OC & R roadbed stayed on the west side of rt 46 below the tunnel by the five combines. I'll have another look. This is the best time of year to see it.I was under that impression as well, and maybe the railroad was built that way, but if it was, they never revised the official legal document, which shows the railroad cutting the corner on the south side of the five combines. Given that they revised the routing in Jefferson County and registered the change, I gotta think they would have done that for Oneida County as well.
hojack wrote:I still think what you see between A and B in the park is the original canal bed. I have walked it, but can stand corrected.The old canal routing is well mapped on the century-old USGS topo maps. The canal is the ditch between the two big parking lots, about 1000' from the entrance. You can see it on the aerial photos and from the circling road that goes deep into the park.
The county maps may never have been corrected between what was proposed, and constructed. I doubt that when the company was collapsing financially, they were too concerned about updating the maps at the county clerks office. This OC & R story has been talked about for years. Some of us believe little roadbed was graded between Lowville and Rome with the exception of the gorge and the one tunnel at Pixley Falls.They revised the Jefferson County map at one point, so it was probably important. I found that bit of railbed north of Lowville near the intersection of NY-26 and NY-420, so at least *some* parts were being built that far away from Rome. I'm sorely chuffed that the Lewis County map is not where it belongs. It would help a lot.
I have uncovered two photos of actual construction of a cut on the Rome and Osceola, but never can find the cut.There's a cut on the south side of Sleepy Hollow Road. Is that the one you mean?
tree68 wrote:some sections may not have been built.No question of that .... no question.
RussNelson wrote:I looked on the route and elevation maps that the railroad had registered with the county. I only see one mention of a tunnel, and only one location where a tunnel would be warranted. I definitely want to get across the Lansing Kill at the five combines, climb up the hill and look for evidence of the railbed there. That may have to wait until August when the water level is at its lowest.Oh, hey, I looked at the Pixley Falls State Park map and .... their trails go about half way from the parking lot to where the railbed should be on the south/east side of the Lansing Kill. Sounds like it *will* be possible to go looking in the spring for the OC&R railbed. I called the park and they said that it's still patchy snow there, that Delta Lake State Park still has one road closed, and the lake is still iced over. So I'm going to wait until next weekend to go exploring.