by pumpers
One more piece of speculation. I've been studying the old TVC map posted above. Let's assume that in 1882, Brown SH Rd did not yet exist. Let's also assume that the 3 diagonal lines to State Rd are property boundaries (and that on the west side of State rd there was a road (indicated in the map) along the top boundary which no longer exists -- no so unusual. If you look at the relative positions of the boundaries and the distancees between them in a modern aerial photo, you see 3 parallel tree lines, which I've labelled A, B, and C. http://mapper.acme.com/?ll=42.50937,-78 ... rcade%20NY
A is the northern boundary of Alonzo Wyman EDIT -- see comment at end of post
B. is the southern boundary of A.W. (northern edge of Wellington(?) B___(?).
C. is the southern boundary of W.B.
If this is right and they built as on the TVC map posted earlier (the draftsman was rather careful after all), the ROW did not cross 98 along the tree line posted earlier in Bigham's pictures, which is the property boundary A in my map (If you go to street view in maps.google.com you can convince yourself this is that point). Rather, the ROW would have crossed about 700 feet south of there, in the middle of what is now a field, slightly closer to B than A, in an east/west direction. I'm not a local and don't know any of the hard work everyone locally has done over the years in tracing this all out, and could be way off base, of course.
That would mean the bridge over Clear Creek was fairly close to the southern edge of AW's property, perhaps 150 ft north of it. So then I went looking on the 1963 historicaerials.com map, and there sure is something that looks like a set of abutments, or at least one of them clearly anyway, at an angle to the creek -- sort of like in the photo above -- right there! Meaning at that point the creek was in the same place it was in 1902. I dont know how to post links to historicalaerials zoomed in on a specific spot -- but if you zoom out and get orieinted to the southern edge of AW's property from the tree line (my mark B above), go east to the creek, and zoom it and go a bit north, there it is. If you were to hunt for them, they would be perhaps 700 feet further south, than if the ROW crossed 98 up at point A on the map.
Am I way off base? The abutmennt(s) might not even be on the creek itself anymore, due to it wandering around since 1963. Maybe someone here who is good with maps (Russ??) can use the historicaerial map somehow and post the exact latitude/longitude of what looks like an abutment, so someone with GPS can go hunting...
JS
EDIT: when I checked the map link after I posted, it somehow reversed points A and B. THe northernmost point should be A and the middle one B, with C on the south.
A is the northern boundary of Alonzo Wyman EDIT -- see comment at end of post
B. is the southern boundary of A.W. (northern edge of Wellington(?) B___(?).
C. is the southern boundary of W.B.
If this is right and they built as on the TVC map posted earlier (the draftsman was rather careful after all), the ROW did not cross 98 along the tree line posted earlier in Bigham's pictures, which is the property boundary A in my map (If you go to street view in maps.google.com you can convince yourself this is that point). Rather, the ROW would have crossed about 700 feet south of there, in the middle of what is now a field, slightly closer to B than A, in an east/west direction. I'm not a local and don't know any of the hard work everyone locally has done over the years in tracing this all out, and could be way off base, of course.
That would mean the bridge over Clear Creek was fairly close to the southern edge of AW's property, perhaps 150 ft north of it. So then I went looking on the 1963 historicaerials.com map, and there sure is something that looks like a set of abutments, or at least one of them clearly anyway, at an angle to the creek -- sort of like in the photo above -- right there! Meaning at that point the creek was in the same place it was in 1902. I dont know how to post links to historicalaerials zoomed in on a specific spot -- but if you zoom out and get orieinted to the southern edge of AW's property from the tree line (my mark B above), go east to the creek, and zoom it and go a bit north, there it is. If you were to hunt for them, they would be perhaps 700 feet further south, than if the ROW crossed 98 up at point A on the map.
Am I way off base? The abutmennt(s) might not even be on the creek itself anymore, due to it wandering around since 1963. Maybe someone here who is good with maps (Russ??) can use the historicaerial map somehow and post the exact latitude/longitude of what looks like an abutment, so someone with GPS can go hunting...
JS
EDIT: when I checked the map link after I posted, it somehow reversed points A and B. THe northernmost point should be A and the middle one B, with C on the south.