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Anyone know when Metro-North issued their first timetable for Port Jervis Line service?The first schedule for the "new" service was posted in the other thread.
Otto Vondrak wrote:This is when the Erie Main Line was still in service, and would remain in service until 1984.I thought we hashed this one out already, and only 2 months ago, at that.
firthorfifth06 wrote:I've seen NJT Timetables from 81-82.That may only indicate that the timetable for state takeover of Conrail-provided commuter rail service was already known. I'm sure there was a significant time period between the agreement of state takeover and the official date of said takeover.
The '81 timetables still mention that conrail operates the trains, however, this is no longer the case in '82. I refer you to oldtrainschedules.com and their NJT collection
Otto Vondrak wrote:From the collection of Thomas Dowling...Very interesting. I didn't realize that there was a division between New York and New Jersey service, with only a couple of through trains. And even with the old alignment and bad track, service to/from Suffern was faster then than today (unless their schedules weren't "padded" as they are today).
Port Jervis wrote:Very interesting. I didn't realize that there was a division between New York and New Jersey service, with only a couple of through trains. And even with the old alignment and bad track, service to/from Suffern was faster then than today (unless their schedules weren't "padded" as they are today).Although MTA took over financial responsibility for the Port Jervis service in 1974, the first time I saw anything that so clearly attributed the Port Jervis service to MTA was that very piece of paper, back in 1982. Prior to that it may have been a footnote on the timetable or something. Before those shuttle started, there were only three round-trips daily that ran west of Suffern, and one on Saturday. There was no Main/Bergen/Port Jervis service on Sunday until Metro-North re-established it in...1985? Somewhere around there.
Idiot Railfan wrote:Forget, for a minute, about what entity ran what, and let's get back the cool part of Otto's post...You're right, that is really cool. Great info IR and nice story!
Did anyone notice anything strange about eastbound train No. 60 out of Middletown?
It left Middletown and made no stops through to Tuxedo. Sounds like an express, but it took 2 hours and 16 minutes, while a train making all the stops made the trip between those stations in about 40-45 minutes. How can this be you ask? Early NJT schedule padding?
For about a year, that eastbound train (a pair of ex-NYC RDCs) went west out of Middletown, then switched onto the west end of the then-passenger-station-free Graham Line and then went east, thereby avoiding several rush-hour westbounds using the original and single-track ex-Erie Main Line. The eastbound 60 would race east on the Graham Line then sit for up to an hour at Newburgh Junction, the east end of the Graham Line where the sprawling relocated Harriman station now exists.
Rode that train more than a few times. Lot of fun. The sooner 60 got to Newburgh Jct. the longer the crew got to nap.
So passenger trains were actually running on the Graham Line more than a year before the official switchover.
One of those things that at the time looked like progress was wiping out what I was familiar with, but now I wish I could relive!
henry6 wrote:I would think Jim is MUCH more qualified to say there is or isn't a plan than you. If anybody knows about any plans Metro-North is cooking up, I would be him.Erie-Lackawanna wrote:The current plan for TZB service is to operate some runs to GCT via the TZB, and others to Hoboken/PSNY via ARC.I did not think there actually is a "current plan" but only rhetoric and words by some, that the TZB idea is the least likely of any scenerio for rail, at least for the time being.