• Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

  • Guilford Rail System changed its name to Pan Am Railways in 2006. Discussion relating to the current operations of the Boston & Maine, the Maine Central, and the Springfield Terminal railroads (as well as the Delaware & Hudson while it was under Guilford control until 1988). Official site can be found here: PANAMRAILWAYS.COM.
Guilford Rail System changed its name to Pan Am Railways in 2006. Discussion relating to the current operations of the Boston & Maine, the Maine Central, and the Springfield Terminal railroads (as well as the Delaware & Hudson while it was under Guilford control until 1988). Official site can be found here: PANAMRAILWAYS.COM.

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  by newpylong
 
That is correct, take it from someone who grew up in North Adams and still visits family there often, the vast majority of tourist traffic is from the South (New York). I believe service to the Berkshires be it over the B&A to Pittsfield or the B&M to North Adams makes more sense than anything to Boston. Too bad all but 5 miles of the PNA is gone, they could do both with one train.

That said, post-COVID, it's gonna be a hard sell to buy the entire line, even if they had the numbers to show it was worth it, which they don't.
  by lordsigma12345
 
At the end of the day from observing the activities of MassDOT lately I suspect the only thing that's going to happen anytime soon passenger wise in Massachusetts is inland route service from Connecticut via Springfield to Boston. All of the rest of it is likely a long way off if ever. I have no opposition to service from Greenfield to Boston but the most realistic thing up north seems an extension of T commuter service to Gardner which is probably the most cost effective solution. I don't want to lead this too far off topic as there are plenty of passenger threads about these topics but I can't see passenger service between Greenfield and Boston being the priority over service between Hartford/Springfield and Boston. And being someone that is following this very closely I see absolutely no evidence that the northern tier is viewed as the priority within the state - the only thing mentioned by the governor's office as actively being considered has been essentially taking the existing Amtrak Lake Shore service and expanding on that with frequencies - initially between Springfield and Boston (which likely means inland service.) and the recent CRISI grant awarded for improvements around Springfield station seems to hint at that as well.
  by BandA
 
Since the west-of-Wachusett corridor is less desirable, they might get a bargain, whereas CSX knows they want WOR-SPG or WOR-state line and will hold out for top dollar.
  by rr503
 
Per the NS intermodal site, 23K is now originating in Mechanicville with Ayer traffic forwarded to meet it. Can anyone confirm this? I presume the intermodal block is riding 11R?
  by newpylong
 
First I've heard of this, where are you seeing this on the NS Corp website?
  by johnpbarlow
 
FWIW, on the CSX Albany Div, NS Lake Erie Dist, and Southern Tier Railroading FaceBook pages, there are postings that NS ran a round trip of a 26T/27T IM/manifest train between Cleveland and Ayer initially via NS Southern Tier/D&H to PAS at Mechanicville. The first eastbound 26T apparently ran Tuesday night on NS to Binghamton with manifest up front followed by COFC (single stacked presumably) led by a single CSX locomotive!?! Lots of speculation - don't know if this will eventually be routed over CSX/B&A or what....

Update: there's a forest fire of confusing and conflicting info on the interweb re: these 26T/27T trains such as from NS has no such symbol profiles and isn't planning to. And what might have been observed was a Binghamton bound "W16-27" train led by a single CSX unit, apparently the only such power configuration operating on the NS Lake Erie Dist on Tuesday. Others swear they clearly heard "26T" given on the scanner as the train passed. A photo of this mythical train might help - it's currently believed to be at Binghamton.

And I wonder if I'm pouring the proverbial gasoline on the this inferno! :wink:
  by F74265A
 
No info as to what of those rumors may or may not be true. But as to the suggestion of that train in the future possibly moving over the B&A, NS trackage rights are limited to one pair of 9000 foot trains of exclusively rax and stacks. No manifest can be moved by NS via this route under the current deal. So if it did continue the manifest would need to drop off at Binghamton
  by jay.barnes
 
CSX Geometry train SB through Holyoke -

CSX 9969 pulling Hocking Valley and Track Geometry Car TGC3
  by NHV 669
 
Looks like they went up to East Northfield, and headed back south.
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