NYC Steam: Years of construction?

Hello folks!
I need your help again.
I need the year of construction for the following NYC (Michigan Central/CCC&StL/B&A etc.) classes:

B-43
B-48
B-49
B-50
B-53
B-63
B-64
B-65
B-66
B-67
B-68
B-70
B-71
B-72
B-73
B-74a
B-82
B-101 (ex P&LE)
B-102 (ex P&LE)
B-103 (ex P&LE)
C-31
C-34
C-35
C-36
C-39
C-49a
E-40
E-41
E-42
E-45
E-66
E-81
F-45

Who can help with links and book recommendations is also very welcome.

New York Central's Early Power, 1831-1916 by Alvin F. Staufer

New York Central's Later Power, 1910-1968 by Alvin F. Staufer and Edward L. May

Both can be picked up used at train shows for between $30 and $75 each.

May I ask what you're collecting data for?

-otto-

Otto Vondrak wrote:New York Central's Early Power, 1831-1916 by Alvin F. Staufer

New York Central's Later Power, 1910-1968 by Alvin F. Staufer and Edward L. May

Both can be picked up used at train shows for between $30 and $75 each.

Add about 1000 USD to go by plane from Germany to a train show in the USA...
I tried to get one of these books here in Germany, it seems nearly impossible.

Otto Vondrak wrote: May I ask what you're collecting data for?

-otto-

Only "just for fun" for my personal data collection of locomotive and MU classes.

Willkommen!

Hmmm, I can see why that might be a problem for you to acquire these books! I just did a quick search and see you can buy used copies of "New York Central's Later Power" from booksellers in the US for only US$35.00:

http://www.amazon.com/York-Centrals-Lat ... 0944513026

Shipment to Germany might be another US$20 at most? It might be worth the cost to acquire this information... Stauffer's books are considered to be the definitive reference on the subject of the New York Central locomotive fleet.

There also might be some members here who have copies of the book and be willing to share the information you seek.

-otto-

So it turns out I have a copy of "Early Power" but the book is written in such a way that it makes finding the data you seek a little difficult. Let me see what I can find out for you, though...

Here's an alternative, Volume 2, a little more than Staufer in price:
http://nycshs.blogspot.com/search/label/books

Dave Mackay

You can find the information you want on George Elwood's Fallen Flags website. Look in the 1930 and 1946 NYC Locomotive Books.
http://gelwood.railfan.net/nyc/nyc-eng.html

NYC_Dave wrote:You can find the information you want on George Elwood's Fallen Flags website. Look in the 1930 and 1946 NYC Locomotive Books.
http://gelwood.railfan.net/nyc/nyc-eng.html

I know this famous website - but these locos are not included there.
I believe they belong to associated railways like Michigan Central or Boston & Albany and are therefore not included in the 1930s Books - and in 1946 these classes were out of service and therefore not included...

Otto Vondrak wrote:Willkommen!

Hmmm, I can see why that might be a problem for you to acquire these books! I just did a quick search and see you can buy used copies of "New York Central's Later Power" from booksellers in the US for only US$35.00:

http://www.amazon.com/York-Centrals-Lat ... 0944513026

Shipment to Germany might be another US$20 at most? It might be worth the cost to acquire this information... Stauffer's books are considered to be the definitive reference on the subject of the New York Central locomotive fleet.

There also might be some members here who have copies of the book and be willing to share the information you seek.

-otto-

In all cases cames there a point were I must read this:

"Important Message

New York Central's Later Power, 1910-1968 cannot be shipped to the selected address."

The first who will ship this book to Germany wants me to pay him $95.00 for the book and minimum 12,50 for shipping.

Add 19% import tax to the $95.00 for the book because it's over 31 USD...

And to pay this I have to drive about 40 miles (and back) to the next customs office (calculate with european fuel prices = 8,75 USD a gallon) ~ 25 USD for fuel.
And since the citizen-friendly opening hours of the customs officeI have to take a half day holiday -

Calculate the value for 4 working hours - and in the end I have to pay about USD 285 for this book...

I am curious as to how you happen to have these class numbers but not the builder dates.
B-43, 1900-1
B-48, 1900-1
B-49, 1901
B-50a-g, 1888-94
B-53, 1899-1902
B-63, 1889
B-64, 1890
B-65, 1891
B-66, 1892
B-67, 1892
B-68, 1893
B-70, 1895
B-71, 1898
B-72, 1900-1
B-73, 1901
B-74a, 1903
B-82a-e, 1889-1905
B-101 (ex P&LE), 1895-1903
B-102 (ex P&LE), 1883
B-103 (ex P&LE), 1897
C-31a-d, 1883-92
C-34a-c, 1873-93
C-35, 1893
C-36, 1894-5
C-39, 1900
C-49a, 1902
E-40, 1889
E-41, 1891-2
E-42, 1893-6
E-45, 1880
E-66, 1915
E-81, 1886-7
F-45, 1896
The above information was found in LOCOMOTIVES OF THE NEW YORK CENTRAL LINES by May & Edson (paperback 1966). This can still sometimes be found on eBay or at train shows. The book contains diagrams, loco data, renumberings, builder information, disposition info, etc. for ALL system STEAM & ELECTRIC locomotives.

The same information can be found in EXPANDED form in the 2-volume hardcover set STEAM LOCOMOTIVES OF THE NYC LINES by Edson & Vail published by the New York Central System Historical Society http://nycshs.blogspot.com/

The same type of information for diesels can be found in NEW YORK CENTRAL SYSTEM DIESEL LOCOMOTIVES by Edson, Vail & Smith, TLC Publishing 1995.

ALL of the above books are must haves for the serious NYC fan.

Thomas I wrote:Calculate the value for 4 working hours - and in the end I have to pay about USD 285 for this book...

Wow, I never considered all the trouble it takes just to ship a simple book to Europe! Hopefully some of the information we have found is helpful to you.

NYC_Dave wrote:I am curious as to how you happen to have these class numbers but not the builder dates.

If you rummaged through the internet looking for information, then there are websites on what you can find evidence for the existence of these classes but not always all the information on these classes.
P.E. here: http://orion.math.iastate.edu/jdhsmith/term/slindex.htm

NYC_Dave wrote: B-43, 1900-1
B-48, 1900-1
B-49, 1901
B-50a-g, 1888-94
B-53, 1899-1902
B-63, 1889
B-64, 1890
B-65, 1891
B-66, 1892
B-67, 1892
B-68, 1893
B-70, 1895
B-71, 1898
B-72, 1900-1
B-73, 1901
B-74a, 1903
B-82a-e, 1889-1905
B-101 (ex P&LE), 1895-1903
B-102 (ex P&LE), 1883
B-103 (ex P&LE), 1897
C-31a-d, 1883-92
C-34a-c, 1873-93
C-35, 1893
C-36, 1894-5
C-39, 1900
C-49a, 1902
E-40, 1889
E-41, 1891-2
E-42, 1893-6
E-45, 1880
E-66, 1915
E-81, 1886-7
F-45, 1896

WOW! That's great!! Thank you very much...

Do you know it also for the classes G-33, G-34 and G-44?

NYC_Dave wrote: The above information was found in LOCOMOTIVES OF THE NEW YORK CENTRAL LINES by May & Edson (paperback 1966). This can still sometimes be found on eBay or at train shows. The book contains diagrams, loco data, renumberings, builder information, disposition info, etc. for ALL system STEAM & ELECTRIC locomotives.

The same information can be found in EXPANDED form in the 2-volume hardcover set STEAM LOCOMOTIVES OF THE NYC LINES by Edson & Vail published by the New York Central System Historical Society http://nycshs.blogspot.com/

The same type of information for diesels can be found in NEW YORK CENTRAL SYSTEM DIESEL LOCOMOTIVES by Edson, Vail & Smith, TLC Publishing 1995.

ALL of the above books are must haves for the serious NYC fan.

I see, I must visit the States again in the future...

Otto Vondrak wrote:

Thomas I wrote:Calculate the value for 4 working hours - and in the end I have to pay about USD 285 for this book...

Wow, I never considered all the trouble it takes just to ship a simple book to Europe! Hopefully some of the information we have found is helpful to you.

The other way (Europe --> USA) is not better...
They also like to get there taxes...