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New NY Dual Mode Discussion

This forum will be for issues that don't belong specifically to one NYC area transit agency, but several. For instance, intra-MTA proposals or MTA-wide issues, which may involve both Metro-North Railroad (MNRR) and the Long Island Railroad (LIRR). Other intra-agency examples: through running such as the now discontinued MNRR-NJT Meadowlands special. Topics which only concern one operating agency should remain in their respective forums.

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Re: New NY Dual Mode Discussion

  by Jeff Smith
 
I think an ALP-45DP solves the Danbury issue, provided it's utilized to Penn as part of PSA. I don't object to wire, but its expensive.

Re: New NY Dual Mode Discussion

  by RandallW
 
Adding just 6 ALP-45DPs (to replace the existing P32AC-DMs) introduce a 2nd new locomotive type from a new vendor into the MNR pool fleet (the 1st is the SC-44 DMs).

The 2022-2026 CT State Rail Plan states:
This investment also includes the procurement of new dual-mode locomotives to support one-seat ride service for non-electrified segments of the Connecticut rail network (Waterbury Branch Line, Danbury Branch Line, Hartford Line). CTDOT also plans to replace the Metro-North Railroad fleet (push-pull rail cars and dual-mode locomotives) operating on the Waterbury Branch and Danbury Branch Lines.

Re: New NY Dual Mode Discussion

  by west point
 
This is not the correct thread but more about these dual modes. I cannot see Amtrak ordering Battery - Diesel locos to power the west side trains. The ALC-42E has a better chance of proving reliability. What Amtrak probably needs is to add CAT from the present end of the wEST side tunnel to the MNRR connection. That can possibly cut 1 - 2 inutes off schedule with its faster acceleraton. As well the units would then be interchangeable on all NEC routes.

However, it may be NY State is dictating this hybrid to prevent NEC interchange and to allow for running Amtrak to NYG?

Re: New NY Dual Mode Discussion

  by ElectricTraction
 
Jeff Smith wrote: ↑Sat Oct 08, 2022 11:27 amI think an ALP-45DP solves the Danbury issue, provided it's utilized to Penn as part of PSA. I don't object to wire, but its expensive.
If we would not do this stupid dual-mode boondoggle, the wire wouldn't cost much in comparison. In the very long term, the wire ends up being cheaper, as the same equipment that works on the New Haven Line would work up to Danbury/New Milford.
west point wrote: ↑Fri Oct 21, 2022 2:22 amThis is not the correct thread but more about these dual modes. I cannot see Amtrak ordering Battery - Diesel locos to power the west side trains. The ALC-42E has a better chance of proving reliability.
Amtrak's needs are very different. They need overhead wire diesel dual modes that can run a few hundred mile runs economically on diesel power to offer offshoot services from the NEC. There are a whole bunch of service possibilities that could branch off of the NEC if dual-modes were available.

Amtrak has a legitimate need for dual-modes, MNRR and LIRR don't, and should electrify their routes that need direct service to GCT and NYP.
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