• New Interiors Being Tested on the Green Line

  • Discussion related to DC area passenger rail services from Northern Virginia to Baltimore, MD. Includes Light Rail and Baltimore Subway.
Discussion related to DC area passenger rail services from Northern Virginia to Baltimore, MD. Includes Light Rail and Baltimore Subway.

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  by HokieNav
 
I haven't seen this released anywhere like it usually is, but when I boarded 6026/6027 this morning, the interiors have been completely redone with new non-carpet flooring and cloth padded seats.

They looked much like the interior in the renderings of the new 7000-series cars here:
http://dcist.com/2008/01/09/the_future_of_m_1.php

The floors were the same dark with light flecks, and the seats were either solid red, solid blue, a blue-based pattern very much like the pattern in the above rendering and a black based pattern pictured below:
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Overall, my impression is favorable - the cloth seems nicer on the seats (although time will tell how it wears) and the floors are much nicer than the earlier light gray that they tested (it'll show less dirt).
  by realtype
 
Hokie you beat me again! :-D

I didn't ride it but caught a glimpse inside just as it was about to pull out so I whipped out my cellphone (that's my the pics are terrible). Here's 6025 @ College Park station:

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I think I may have ridden or seen these new interiors a while back, since they look very familiar. The floors definitely looks nicer than the light gray. But, I'm still glad Metro is dragging its feet in replacing the carpet (a proposal made almost as far back as the Dan Tangherlini era).
  by SchuminWeb
 
I don't know about you all, but I for one am glad to see another new color scheme being tested. The newer color scheme with the "Colonial Burgundy", "Chesapeake Sand", and "Potomac Blue" color scheme started looking cheesy really fast, in my opinion, and really looks kind of dingy on the 5000's, now that the lighting has yellowed slightly.
  by Mirai Zikasu
 
Ew. The black-based coloring with the black floor coloring makes the cars look bland and sterile, and I hate squiggle patterns for their asymmetry and being too busy. Since WMATA is getting rid of the colored carpet and the different seat colors, my only hope is that they go with the solid red or blue--the red being my personal favorite--to keep some color in the cars.
  by realtype
 
I finally rode 6027 today, after seeing it (and 6026) numerous times. Here are some photos I took:

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http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3537/349 ... 13bf_b.jpg

While, 6027 has blue seats, 6026 has red seats. IMHO Metro should take the carpet off the seats and put it back on the floor :-). In all seriousness, I don't see what the problem is whit the current seats. They're comfortable (more so than the cloth), and the cloth will be an extreme pain to keep clean (isn't that why they took out the carpets?). The noise level due to the bare floor was noticeably higher as well, but not too bad.
  by tommyboy6181
 
I don't think the new interior is that bad but do prefer the current red/white/blue.

When I was in DC last week, I finally did get to ride a 6k (#6047) and it was probably the smoothest ride I have been on to date. The 5k on the other hand (rode 3 different times) was another story with the braking. I'll post details about the subtrip when I come back home to NY.
  by Mirai Zikasu
 
realtype wrote:In all seriousness, I don't see what the problem is whit the current seats. They're comfortable (more so than the cloth), and the cloth will be an extreme pain to keep clean (isn't that why they took out the carpets?). The noise level due to the bare floor was noticeably higher as well, but not too bad.
If I remember correctly, the problem with the current synthetic seats is that very few transit agencies order them anymore, and so, they're getting too expensive for WMATA to purchase. I don't like the idea of losing the synthetic seats to cloth, but on the other hand, I can't think of any particularly good alternatives except hard plastic seats...which are certainly not desirable. Again, since the fabric seems to be a done deal, my only hope is that they choose one of the simple colors rather than the squiggle pattern nonsense. Also, a colored hard floor would be nice to at least give the color effect of the carpet rather than the sterility of black floors and white walls.
  by SchuminWeb
 
I don't know if I agree with you. I take Ride-On daily, and those buses have white walls and a black floor. The seats on the Gillig low-floors have a similar wild pattern, and it really seems to work with the plain walls and floor.

Now true, we're talking trains, and I'm referring to a bus, but I think it just might work with the patterns. I had 6027 on the Red Line, and the wild pattern seems to work.
  by realtype
 
SchuminWeb wrote:I don't know if I agree with you. I take Ride-On daily, and those buses have white walls and a black floor. The seats on the Gillig low-floors have a similar wild pattern, and it really seems to work with the plain walls and floor.

Now true, we're talking trains, and I'm referring to a bus, but I think it just might work with the patterns. I had 6027 on the Red Line, and the wild pattern seems to work.
I haven't been on Ride-On's new Gillig low-floors, though I've been on every other Ride-On bus and their interiors seem to all be pretty nice, even the all black interior of the Orion VI CNG buses. However, Metro trains are a different story. I mean what's the point of Metro if it has the same look and comfort of a bus? Yeah, it's faster, but I think it should be differentiated. Maybe I've just been too spoiled, and Metro would still be a far cry from the hard-plastic side seats with hard floors on NYCT's newest Kawasaki/Alstom models.
  by SchuminWeb
 
Don't get me wrong - I'm not advocating for bus seats on my Metro cars. I like the plush seats, and would be quite unhappy if they replaced them with bus seats. After all, I have about a 30-40 minute train ride each way from Glenmont to Dupont Circle, and a hard seat all that way would not be fun. I'm commenting solely on the color patterns, and I think that plain white walls, plain black floors, and wild patterns on the seats are not necessarily a bad thing.

And to drive the point home, I criticized Metro for using bus seats on Breda 3283 when they were testing:
http://www.schuminweb.com/schumin-web/j ... php?id=932
http://www.schuminweb.com/schumin-web/j ... php?id=956
  by SchuminWeb
 
Okay... I had 6026 on the Green Line on Saturday night, and I was impressed. I absolutely LOVE the black floor, and of the various patterns, I like the pattern that they are running in that car's midsection (the rainbow-on-navy pattern shown here). The black floor just looks sleek and racy, and even if the floor was gross, I don't think you would be able to tell without really looking (though I admit it was remarkably clean for a Saturday night when I rode).

Plus with the black floor, you have the most flexibility for the future. No awkward-looking I-changed-the-color-scheme cars anymore, since all the more-permanent fixtures are neutral colors. One just has to look at Breda 4062-3 or the various updated Rohrs to see the problem of changing colors. Metro wants to phase in new seat pads? No problem. Looks natural everywhere.

So my vote is for the black floor. And the rainbow seat cushions. Once the novelty of the color scheme introduced with the 5000's wore off, I stopped liking it - that scheme looks kind of cheesy.
  by Mirai Zikasu
 
That reminds me. I ended up on 6026 a little over a month ago when I was going out to Vienna one Friday night to meet some friends and catch a concert. I had the exact opposite reaction to the car. I absolutely HATE the black floor and the squiggle pattern. The black/white contrast is harsh, stark, and sterile. Noise is much more noticeable thanks to the resilient surface. Given, it was still mostly quiet at the time due to the train being a Vienna rush-hour commuting trip--and subsequently most are quiet as church mice--but any loud sounds are not nearly as dampened as with carpet. Now, WMATA has committed to getting rid of the carpet due to costs, a point I really can't challenge anymore due to constant money woes, but the least that could be done would be to get a floor with some color. The black leaves the car devoid of any warmth present in either of the other designs. This was only exaggerated by the black squiggle seat patterns. It's an overly complex pattern that attempts to cover for the fact that there is otherwise no color in the car. Frankly, I think an insult to the system's design to put a pattern like that in the cars given that the rest of the system uses simple shapes to achieve its aesthetic. I always liked the original design of the cars for their warm design--which used a warm design that contrasted nicely against the stations. Earth tones in the cars versus the futuristic stations was a nice contrast. While I didn't like the design introduced with the CAF cars as much as the original design, it's still acceptable. It has color; it's pleasant. The experimental new design? Blech. Leave the black/white stark contrast to the hospitals and the rainbows to gay pride flags.
  by Matt_S
 
Mirai Zikasu wrote: Frankly, I think an insult to the system's design to put a pattern like that in the cars given that the rest of the system uses simple shapes to achieve its aesthetic. I always liked the original design of the cars for their warm design.
I couldn't agree more! I have always admired the Metro against other transit systems for its design and aesthetics, as everything is very uniform. Unfortunately when CEOs change and people with their own (perhaps uninformed or stubborn) ideas come in, things will inevitably change. If things keep going as they do I can see the Metro starting to resemble the London Tube, a mish mash of architectural styles from different eras and designers, and a crazy amount of different rolling stock, which as the tube is over 100 years old and started with different companies, it can get away with. A system like the Metro, can't.

One thing which I have been wondering, will the Dulles Airport station even be built to the classic tunnel station design, or will it be square and flat roofed for "cost cutting reasons"? Messing with the Metro architecture is a step too far in my opinion.
  by Sand Box John
 
"Matt_S"
I couldn't agree more! I have always admired the Metro against other transit systems for its design and aesthetics, as everything is very uniform. Unfortunately when CEOs change and people with their own (perhaps uninformed or stubborn) ideas come in, things will inevitably change. If things keep going as they do I can see the Metro starting to resemble the London Tube, a mish mash of architectural styles from different eras and designers, and a crazy amount of different rolling stock, which as the tube is over 100 years old and started with different companies, it can get away with. A system like the Metro, can't.


Architectural mish mash started creeping into the system back in the late 1970s when the station vault designs were simplified to reduce costs. It was the Board of Directors that made the final decision based on staff recommendations.

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?21002
Original design

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?89981
Simplified design

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?90104
Simplified design single track.

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?21172
Bastardization of the Original design

Forest Glen and Wheaton were built the way were to reduce costs.

Similar changes were made to the Architecture of surface stations.

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?102044
Original design

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?102031
Simplified design

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?65032
The most resent change of the design

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?42579
Original design twin platform

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?21210
Simplified design twin platform

Mind you, some stations had to be diverted from the original design because using the original design would have been impractical.

Examples: Arlington Cemetery, Anacostia and Prince George's Plaza.

One thing which I have been wondering, will the Dulles Airport station even be built to the classic tunnel station design, or will it be square and flat roofed for "cost cutting reasons"? Messing with the Metro architecture is a step too far in my opinion.

The drawing in the FEIS for the Dulles Corridor Metrorail Project shows the Dulles Airport station looking similar the stations on the Red line north of Dupont Circle. The big difference will be the mezzanine area will be in a box vault and there will be a skylight where the existing pedestrian tunnel crosses the center line of the station vault.


As to the rolling stock, Harry Weese, the consulting architect, contracted to do the basic design wanted the trains to have a drastic color contrast compared the earthy colors of the stations. His concept called for the cars to be painted bright red.