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  by Clean Cab
 
Sometimes there is a lightyear's worth of distance from what some agency wants to buy, and what they end up getting, or don't get the money to buy.

We'll all have to stay tuned for this one.
  by Terminal Proceed
 
By Tobin A. Coleman
Staff Writer

Published December 10 2005


HARTFORD -- The state Bond Commission approved $197 million in new borrowing yesterday for 28 projects ranging from new locomotives for Metro-North Railroad to the relocation of the Stamford Community Health Center in the South End...............................................

The $25 million for new locomotives for Metro-North include $16.6 million for six diesel locomotives and the state's share of the cost of five diesels owned along with the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, plus seven dual-powered locomotives, according to Department of Transportation Commissioner Stephen Korta. The dual-power engines, like hybrid cars, run on diesel fuel and electricity. The electric power capacity is necessary because the trains cannot run on diesel power south of 125th Street in Manhattan, where they go underground before entering Grand Central Terminal.

The diesel engines will be ready for delivery by April 2007 and the dual-powered units won't be delivered until about June 2008, Korta said.


This was an excerpt from the Greenwich Times

  by Otto Vondrak
 
Yes, dual-modes are "just like" hybrid cars. Where do they get this stuff from? :-)

-otto-

  by Clean Cab
 
Carefully written by the same people who think that engineers can steer a train!!

  by M1 9147
 
Locomotives are gonna be the Genesis III by GE? Didn't mention anything in the article.

  by Clean Cab
 
$16.6 million dollars for 6 locomotives? That's $2.7 million a piece. Where can you buy new locomotives, let alone dual mode locomotives for only $2.7 million a piece. The four New Haven Railroad P32AC-DM Genesis II locomotives costs alomst $5 million a piece. And what builder would build only 6 engines?

It doesn't add up!!!

  by mkm4
 
capecodlocoguy wrote:Where can you buy new locomotives, let alone dual mode locomotives for only $2.7 million a piece.
It doesn't say brand new, just new. Which could mean, "new to them, but actually used by someone else." :wink:

  by DutchRailnut
 
I hope we don't buy those P40 rustbuckets, for a monocoque car body the entire rear end is rusted out, they belch smoke like jealous ALCO's and despite leasing 8 units Harmon has hard time providing 3 reliable units that can last a few days in actual service.
the Failure rate is tru the roof on those things so far most reliable is 833.

  by RailBus63
 
DutchRailnut wrote:I hope we don't buy those P40 rustbuckets, for a monocoque car body the entire rear end is rusted out, they belch smoke like jealous ALCO's and despite leasing 8 units Harmon has hard time providing 3 reliable units that can last a few days in actual service.
the Failure rate is tru the roof on those things so far most reliable is 833.
M-N's first P32's are only a few years younger - are they experiencing any of the same issues?

JD

  by Clean Cab
 
MN's P-32ACDMs were bulit between 1995 and 2001 and do not show any of the creeping body rot as seen on the Amtrak leased P-40s.

  by M1 9147
 
Send those back to Amtrak. What is the replacement locomotive for CDOT, the P42ACDMGEVO????????? And is MN gonna get them also?????

  by DutchRailnut
 
again any Dual modes would be at least 4.7 million a piece.
the article sound kind of iffy to me.
GE wants to built a P42ACDM(GEVO) but would need a minnimum order of 15 locomotives.

  by RedSoxSuck
 
This is probably a dumb question, but what is GEVO?

Also, Dutch, out of curiosity, do you know how long MNR/CDOTs current P32s (201-233) are expected to last, how well they are aging, and the current plan to replace them? I know that is a long way off, but it HAS to have crossed minds other than my own...

  by DutchRailnut
 
GE specs call for a 15 year lifespan without rebuilding. MNCR has just awarded a rebuild contract to extend lifespan , and units should be good for another 15 when done. Its expected that 3 units a year will be done till all 30 units are rebuild.
The Genesis are doing very well, and other than small stuff are pretty well kept.

  by RailBus63
 
Well, then, if M-N's original Genesis units from 1995 are running fine, then I guess the problems with the P40's have less to do with GE's design and manufacturing and more to do with whatever Amtrak did (or didn't do) to those units. Not surprising.

JD