Roadgeek Adam wrote: ↑Fri Apr 17, 2020 12:58 pm
ApproachMedium wrote: ↑Thu Apr 16, 2020 9:36 pm
All of you do nothing but think just like NJT and the state do. NYC access. Lets forget that. Theres a lot of other places people commute to in NJ that are not NYC. Something to relieve traffic for those commuting on Rt18, anything to help keep people from driving up over the driscoll bridge to 287. There is so much traffic in this area in general and its not all people going to the city, its often people just trying to get around to do their every day stuff in between those who work in the very populated center of NJ and north jersey. I think if some relief was given in the form of some kind of local commuter system or even interurban it would greatly reduce the need for some to even own cars, or drive them as often as they do.
For one thing, the majority of the NJ population and service are in North Jersey and in general, north of 195. So, yes it's in the state's best interest to make sure North Jersey, which is also very reliant on NYC, is running. There is money that should be spent south of 195, but the idea that all of South Jersey is going to Atlantic CIty is insane and incorrect. NJ Transit should be focusing that market through Philadelphia, not NYC. Atlantic City needs to focus on being a tech hub east of Philadelphia, since there is land and opportunity along the corridor. If the original point was a service from NYC to Atlantic City that serves NJ communities, then that what was what I focused on in my argument.
I dont think there will ever be a need for anything to go NYC to AC, other than the possibility of something to provide beach/shore access to take drivers off the parkway. This would be more of a north to south situation than a NYC to AC situation though.
NYC has Lakewood/Lakehurst and Freehold in need of service, along with others in New Jersey, but for Philadelphia, the focus should be more access to shore communities. Unfortunately, that's limited over the years. Many railroads in South Jersey are long history and unusuable, so it becomes working with what we can.
AC will never
be a tech business hub as long as things in NJ keep going the way they're going. NJ is very hostile to new businesses. A good example would be how the Southern Secondary has had a lot of their customers screwed over by Conrail.
South Jersey isn't as bad price wise, but combine NJ's reputation for being expensive (mostly up North) with its taxes and regulations, a lot of people are simply turned off. AC would make a great tech hub, but the NJ government would need to stop the malarky. AC could be the LA/SanFran of the East (business and beaches that aren't polluted, like many NYC ones), but until NJ gov loosens up a bit, we won't see anything.
If the Winslow-Matawan/RB connect was revived, THAT could bring more Philly people to the Shore. It would allow Philly to have rail access to more than just AC, but due to grade crossings and a weird curve from the connecting Coastline station, the trip might be longer than optimal. Doing that would cost quite a lot, and members of other threads seem to think that reviving the full old Southern Secondary would be pointless.
If only Farmingdale still had the diamond to Manasquan...