• Discussion of the past and present operations of the Long Island Rail Road.
Discussion of the past and present operations of the Long Island Rail Road.

Moderator: Liquidcamphor

  by RGlueck
Interesting approach to a restoration question. Getting the locomotive ready to operate and accommodating the needs of the LIRR might just do it. Give them a flawless locomotive with compliance to the operating standards required. Run it off the Island to show that it's entirely functional and reliable, then let them designate what they need.
Frankly, I don't think there is a mindset which has a sign hanging in Jamaica or Albany which reads "Above all else don't run steam". I sincerely believe it can be done with every agency coming out feeling positive and accomplished. Re-thinking the approach once the locomotive is completed can be the tipping point.
Good argument!
  by R36 Combine Coach
The funny thing to admit is that BRW 60, a FRA certified steam locomotive was on the island in 1967 or 1968.
  by workextra
There are several steam restoration projects that have been conducted and completed in the time and less than the LI engines had. I understand there is not a competition.
But we have to as ourselves where did we go wrong. Once that’s understood and we can agree on a common denominator and in some cases the locomotive owners agree to concessions that neither will be thrilled with but the benefits of a fully qualified operational locomotive is the end result.

Can it be achieved I think so. But not until we ask the tough questions and “pound the spikes” to correct the mistakes wipe the slate clean and start from scratch.

As for LIRR having a no steam policy.
That’s absolutely not the case.
LIRR has a culture issue not a bo steam issue.
There is plenty of guys in the company that “Can do” if given the opportunity. And like it or not, it’s those guys who will answer the call when the MTA or LIRR wants to do something.

Remember 90% of the folks it’s “just a a job” it’s a pay check. Come to work, Go home, and collect. They can care less about heritage.
The loss of extensive railroad knowledge over the last 25-30 years in addition to the major industry changes all contribute to the problems of LIRR operations a locomotive, but it’s not totally impossible.
It CAN be done, and LIRR has NO official “BAN” on steam.
Frankly they never been provided with a acceptable READY TO RUN cab signal equipped steam locomotive to run.
So now TODAY the locomotive owners AFTER the locomotive meets all the above, they now have to work with the host railroad (LIRR) to meet their requirements of ACSES PTC.
Yea this CAN be done.
But the movement needs to be completely overhauled.

2034 is the 200th anniversary of LIRRs charter it’s 12 years out, CAN the LI steam owners present the LIRR and MTA a fully FRA certified area locomotive in 12 years?

BTW, the oil conversion should be seriously considered for the many reason Ed at UP has stated.
As much as I want coal. It’s not really functional if it’s intended to run on the modern LIRR.
Also note the locomotive owners should seriously consider going over the G5s clearance diagram with the new high platforms it’s been a while since the last time this was done.
  by workextra
Hi guys.
Check this video out
These guys built this from the ground up.
They didn’t have all the parts ready just needing cleaning, repair or some
They didn’t have a boiler or fire box.
So if there is a will there is a way.

The goal is this.
Let’s get 1 steam locomotive fully certified by 2033. That’s roughly 10 years form now. And we’ll within reach.
Can this be achieved? Or is this a pipe dream?

If this is unrealistic, then let’s just stuff and mount the Locomotive, and put a sign saying we tried for 40 years and couldn’t do it.
  by RGlueck
At the present, I think OBRM has a plan which might potentially bear fruit. Getting the 35 together again, recovering all her pieces and parts and assembling the locomotive in near working condition will help revive some interest in an operable G5s. Ideally, both 35 & 39 could be rebuilt and operate, but I'll be happy with either being the starter.
  by workextra
To my knowledge. There was a plan to reacquaint all the parts together and assembled the locomotive so it can be rolled on and off the table.
If this is indeed their plan. I’m all in.
At least I’ll see a assembled G5 on LI again.
hopefully see this will help make more people part with their money to help restore steam.
That said, like it or no damn near 11%+ inflation plus the “Long Island tax” everything is just more here regardless.
I don’t see a path forward.
  by RGlueck
People have money for what they want. Inflation will eventually even out, although it will likely never disappear.. I agree with your viewpoint regarding an assembled and greased G5s. Getting it under a shed roof will be another important step to protect it. Having an LIRR steam locomotive with all moving parts lubricated, cleaned and properly fitted, will make a difference. The 35 needs heavy boiler repairs and tender repairs or replacement. Getting the tender repaired can happen along the way. Once it's been established that an intact and operating G5s is potentially available, we may see movement.
At age 72, I have to face the likelihood that I'll only see an operating G5s in heaven.
  by workextra
I’m not an affiliate or involved in any why with oyster bay.
But if their supposed plan works out to have the running gear and maybe air brakes functional.
Then a full rebuild/replacement to the tank can be conducted.
The absolute last item to be restored/rebuilt/replaced would be the boiler so you’re not burning valuable time on your 1472 clock.
It is my opinion that they produce a 90% complete locomotive with the last 10% being the boiler/firebox having to be completed,
At that point you get your donations in, motivation would be much higher and your not wasting service time on a boiler that’s been certified and sitting for 10 years on a non operational locomotive.

On steam there is no such thing as done.
There’s always work for I be done on it even after it’s retuned to service.
Once you have that you want to keep it in the he absolute best possible shape than it’s ever been it’s entire service life.

That care will make the future restorations and 15yr inspections much easier and affordable.
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