Intermodal to Saint John

That is encouraging to learn, Mr. NHV.

It seems like the maritime companies are.less concerned about Bay of Fundy tides. I know first hand they are 6kts during the third and fourth hour after flood and ebb.

I'd dread to think what would happen if a vessel were to "make like The Dali" (lose its engine at Baltimore) in those tidal conditions.

But then, perhaps my concerns are unfounded.

A short 120 was into Greenville Jct. at 17:28 with CP 9374/CP 8174/CP 8165, 42 mixed freight (13 loaded autoracks), 4 empty wells, 6 wells/12 containers.

121 was into Greenville Jct. at 08:45 with CP 8165/CP 8174, 50 mixed freight, 11 wells/19 containers, CP 9374 (DPU), 61 wells/106 containers, 4 empty autoracks.

120 was into Greenville Jct. at 13:46 with CP 8068/CP 8567, 27 mixed freight (12 loaded autoracks), 23 wells/42 containers, 21 empty wells, KCS 4767 (DPU), 24 wells/32 containers, 29 empty wells.

NHV 669 wrote:Mr. Norman,


I'm not sure if the 20mph for head end power over crossings still applies, as the train seems to cruise by the camera at a good clip some days, with Greenville's Maple Avenue just east of it. The overpass over Route 6 just west of that crossing had a 35mph MAS sign when I was up there a few years ago.

They did the work necessary for the crossings to activate at track speed a few years ago at those crossings. From Mile 36 to Brownville Jct, its a mix of 25-40 MPH speed zones. With west bound, unless they have a small train I haven't seen them get all the way up to track speed, since its mainly uphill from BVJ. I know you can beat them from Onawa to Greenville doing the speed limit on the road with time to spare, but you can't really do that with an eastbound.

121 was into Greenville Jct. at 08:41 with CP 8068/CP 8567/KCS 4767, 74 wells/142 containers.

120 was into Greenville Jct. at 12:48 with CP 8106/CP 9815/CP 3015, 14 mixed freight, 85 wells/133 containers.

121 was into Greenville Jct. at 09:06 with CP 9815, 13 mixed freight, 44 wells/89 containers, CP 8106 (DPU), 70 wells/139 containers.

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120 was into Greenville Jct. at 14:41 with CP 8704, 46 wells/53 containers, 11 empty wells, 16 mixed freight (2 loaded autoracks), CP 8578 (DPU), 9 wells/9 containers, 98 empty wells.

121 was into Greenville Jct. at 09:41 with CP 8578, 13 mixed freight, 45 wells/90 containers, CP 8704 (DPU), 53 wells/101 containers, 15 empty autoracks.

[Edited at 16:04]

120 was into Greenville Jct. at 15:00 with CP 9357/KCSM 4714, 15 mixed freight, 89 wells/121 containers, 29 empty wells, CP 7016 (DPU), 10 wells/11 containers, 33 empty wells.

121 was into Greenville Jct. at 08:46 with CP 9357/KCSM 4714, 27 mixed freight, 21 wells/31 containers, CP 7016 (DPU), 50 wells/106 containers, 12 empty autoracks.

[Edited at 16:12]

120 was into Greenville Jct. at 14:20 with CP 8868/KCS 4108, 48 mixed freight (14 loaded autoracks), KCSM 4667 (DPU), 38 wells/63 containers, 62 empty wells.

121 was into Greenville Jct. at 08:59 with CP 8868/KCS 4108, 20 mixed freight, 46 wells/100 containers, KCSM 4667 (DPU), 74 wells/115 containers.

[Edited at 15:20]

120 was into Greenville Jct. at 13:10 with CP 8148/CP 9736, 53 mixed freight, 44 wells/60 containers, 28 empty wells, CP 7008 (DPU), 42 wells/80 containers, 21 empty wells.

Gilbert B Norman wrote: ↑Sat Nov 02, 2024 11:06 am That is encouraging to learn, Mr. NHV.

It seems like the maritime companies are.less concerned about Bay of Fundy tides. I know first hand they are 6kts during the third and fourth hour after flood and ebb.

I'd dread to think what would happen if a vessel were to "make like The Dali" (lose its engine at Baltimore) in those tidal conditions.

But then, perhaps my concerns are unfounded.

Mr Norman,

I do believe your claim of 6 knots, but in the Bay of Fundy, the tidal current is much more pronounced in some areas - especially further east in the bay. Indeed, the tides are about twice the height (about 55 feet) at the east end of the bay as what is experienced at Saint John.

Here is a 4 week chart that displays current speeds at the mouth of the Saint John harbor. Every 4 weeks should more or less repeat this cycle.

https://www.smartatlantic.ca/station_al ... =saintjohn
The highest measured velocity was Oct. 18 at 1,022 mm/sec. That equals 3.672 km/hr, which equals 1.983 knots.

It is not abnormally hazardous at Saint John. There are no commercial ports east of Saint John and very little boat traffic - probably for the exact reason you state.

121 was into Greenville Jct. at 09:25 with CP 8148, 10 mixed freight, 43 wells/84 containers, CP 7008 (DPU), 69 wells/139 containers, one empty autorack.

120 was into Greenville Jct. at 14:54 with CP 8146/KCSM 4714, 18 mixed freight (6 loaded autoracks), 21 wells/42 containers, 36 empty wells, CP 7016 (DPU), 63 wells/127 containers, 67 empty wells.

Mr. KuBand and I "ain't kiddin'";

https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-lowes ... 94738.html

Safe assumption that those commercial fishing vessels have two; two-hour windows a day in which they can sail or dock. You cast off, you ain't tying up again for at least ten hours.

Mr Norman,

Ok, there is at least 1 commercial port east of Saint John. I apologize profusely to those I overlooked in my previous comment. I had to check out who these hardy lobster fishermen were. It looks like the same boats from your picture. Apparently they like to celebrate when they take to the crazy Bay of Fundy waters. I have been to Alma once in my life, but I wasn't counting fishing boats when I was there. Those guys have a real reason to beware of tides.
https://tourismnewbrunswick.ca/festival ... eet-launch

Well, I guess if the maritime operators are not concerned about the 1.6kt ebb and flow at Saint John, then why should "ancient mariner" me be?

Now what I must wonder is for what distance is a vessel calling/sailing at/from Saint John required to have tugs escorting it?

Should such a vessel lose power when it barely has way to sail, the thought of a Key Bridge "redux" is unthinkable.

Mr. Norman, there aren't any bridges to pass under for ships calling at Saint John, so I doubt that would even be a thought.

121 was into Greenville Jct. at 08:55 with CP 7016/KCSM 4714, 49 mixed freight, 41 wells/82 containers, CP 8146 (DPU), 98 wells/121 containers.