• Governor Hochul "State of the State" NY Metro Transit Improvements

  • This forum will be for issues that don't belong specifically to one NYC area transit agency, but several. For instance, intra-MTA proposals or MTA-wide issues, which may involve both Metro-North Railroad (MNRR) and the Long Island Railroad (LIRR). Other intra-agency examples: through running such as the now discontinued MNRR-NJT Meadowlands special. Topics which only concern one operating agency should remain in their respective forums.
This forum will be for issues that don't belong specifically to one NYC area transit agency, but several. For instance, intra-MTA proposals or MTA-wide issues, which may involve both Metro-North Railroad (MNRR) and the Long Island Railroad (LIRR). Other intra-agency examples: through running such as the now discontinued MNRR-NJT Meadowlands special. Topics which only concern one operating agency should remain in their respective forums.

Moderators: GirlOnTheTrain, nomis, FL9AC, Jeff Smith

  by Jeff Smith
 
Some highlights:

-studying Penn Access from the Hudson Line
-adding a track at SD
-signal project at Yonkers
-Croton-Harmon realignment
-Poughkeepsie "super-express"
-"seamless" transit from LIRR and MNRR to MetLife for 2026 World Cup
-Harlem line third track study

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/govern ... tate-state
Governor Hochul Proposes Major Investment in Hudson Valley Rail Service as Part of 2025 State of the State

Plan Would Cut Potential Travel Times by up to 15 Minutes Each Way for Certain Trips and Improve Reliability, Quality and Speed of Metro-North Railroad and Amtrak-NYSDOT Empire Service

"Super-Express" Metro-North Service Would Reduce Reliable Commuter Transport Between New York City and Poughkeepsie to Less Than 90 Minutes

Continues Governor's Commitment to High-Quality Suburban Rail, Following Completion of Grand Central Madison and LIRR Third Track


As part of her 2025 State of the State, Governor Kathy Hochul today proposed a major investment in Hudson Valley rail service that would increase capacity, reduce delays, improve safety and cut potential travel times by up to 15 minutes each way for certain trips, as well as shorten "super-express" Metro-North Hudson Line trips to less than 90 minutes. The proposal includes planning, evaluation and design for a set of rail infrastructure capital improvements between New York City and Poughkeepsie, including projects such as a second track at Spuyten Duyvil, interlocking, signaling and trackwork at Croton Harmon, and capacity improvements at Poughkeepsie Yard. In addition, the Metropolitan Transportation Authority (MTA) will execute a signaling redesign near Yonkers and climate resilience investments in the most vulnerable and highest ridership segments of the Hudson Line.

“Hudson Valley commuters deserve fast, high quality rail service they can count on, and the investments I am proposing we make today will drive transformational change for generations to come,” Governor Hochul said. “Over the coming years, these much-needed infrastructure improvements will allow us to modernize our rail system, increase connectivity, reduce travel time and strengthen economic connections across the region. With these proposals, we are laying the groundwork to deliver faster and more reliable rail service for suburban and rural commuters across the Hudson Valley and beyond.”

As part of an allocation anticipated to be available for regional investments in its 2025-29 capital plan, the MTA will evaluate and design other potential rail improvements, such as adding a third track to the Metro-North Harlem Line or connecting Hudson Line service to Penn Station for a one-seat commute to Manhattan’s West Side. In partnership with NYSDOT, the MTA will also establish a regional rail working group with New Jersey, Connecticut and rail partners, to promote better coordination on interoperability, ticketing, schedules and customer interfaces. This group will also develop plans to make travel by Metro-North or Long Island Railroad to MetLife Stadium as seamless as possible for the 2026 World Cup and explore future opportunities to further integrate regional travel.

Governor Hochul believes even more can be done to enhance service and deliver for riders on both sides of the Hudson River. Building off a pilot program to enhance the reach of Metro-North west of the Hudson River with ticketing, ferry and parking incentives, New York will also conduct a transit analysis with expert advisors to propose and evaluate additional recommendations to expand and maximize the impact of rail service and look at opportunities for other types of commuter transit for New Yorkers living west of the river and working in New York City. That analysis will include a major employer and destination review in Orange County, exploring options like shuttle bus service timed with Port Jervis Line trains to attractions like Woodbury Commons, Legoland, Storm King, Renaissance Fair, and Stewart Airport.

Today's announcement builds off major regional rail investments delivered during Governor Hochul's term, including the delivery of the LIRR Third Track and the historic opening of Grand Central Madison, which introduced new commuting opportunities on the LIRR, enhanced New York’s regional connectivity, and expanded service by 40 percent.

State Department of Transportation Commissioner Marie Therese Dominguez said, “Everyone deserves reliable, high quality passenger rail service, and Governor Hochul’s targeted investments in the Hudson Valley rail network will significantly enhance the rail experience for thousands of passengers who rely on this service every day. When we invest in rail and transit, we are investing in environmentally friendly, dependable and safe modes of transportation. NYSDOT is proud to help spearhead these investments on our state-supported Amtrak services, and we look forward to partnering with the MTA on separate enhancements to Metro-North services along the Hudson Line rail corridor. New Yorkers deserve nothing less.”

MTA Chair and CEO Janno Lieber said, “Metro-North is the economic backbone of the lower Hudson Valley, and these are smart targeted investments to protect its future and record-setting 98+ percent on-time performance. In the age of climate change, resiliency is especially important, and Governor Hochul has shown she gets it intuitively.”

MTA Metro-North Railroad President Catherine Rinaldi said, “Weather-related events in recent years have shown the importance of climate resiliency on the Hudson Line, and we are thrilled by these upgrades which will enable continuing reliability of Metro-North service for the Hudson Valley. I greatly appreciate Governor Hochul’s support for these improvements, which will support the economy of the Hudson Valley.”

Poughkeepsie Mayor Yvonne Flowers said, “I'm excited to hear that Governor Hochul wants to invest in the Hudson Valley rail service between Poughkeepsie and New York City. The Governor's commitment to improve the connection between the City of Poughkeepsie and New York City means more opportunities for our residents, stronger support for our local businesses, and a safer and faster commute to and from NYC. This investment helps our community thrive and stay connected in ways that matter.”

White Plains Mayor Thomas Roach said, “Investment in the Metro North system is vital to our state’s economy. Reliable, quality, rail transit benefits our residents, businesses and the environment. Governor Hochul’s continued commitment to providing the resources necessary is essential and greatly appreciated.”

Beacon Mayor Lee Kyriacou said, “Thank you Governor Hochul for proposing these major rail investments along the Hudson Line — which improve the communities and day-to-day lives of so many of us in the Hudson Valley. As a Beacon to New York City commuter for more than thirty years — and a rider on the “super-express” peak hour trains to Beacon — I know first hand the importance of frequent and fast rail service, which allows so many to earn a living at work and enjoy family life at home.”

About the New York State Empire Rail Corridor

In Federal Fiscal Year (FFY) 2024, New York’s State-supported Amtrak service established all-time records, with ridership in excess of 2 million passengers and revenue in excess of $109 million. Through NYSDOT, New York supports the popular Empire Service which operates from New York City to Albany, Adirondack Service which operates from New York City to Montreal, Maple Leaf Service which operates from New York City to Niagara Falls, as well as Ethan Allen Service which operates from New York City to Burlington, Vermont. In FFY 2024, on-time performance in the New York City to Albany corridor was about 90 percent; and the overall combined on-time performance for all New York supported services was approximately 83 percent.

About MTA Metro-North Railroad

MTA Metro-North Railroad provides 700 trains per weekday at 124 stations in the Hudson Valley, New York City and southwest Connecticut, operating with on-time performance above 98 percent in 2024 and 2024 full-year ridership 12.5 percent over the previous year.

In November, Metro-North had one of their strongest months on record with a total of 5.7 million riders, an increase of 4.8 percent from November 2023. Also in November, Metro-North recorded the best year-to-date on-time performance in railroad history, coming in at 98.3 percent systemwide, while on-time performance (OTP) for November was 97.9 percent, and Metro-North’s service-delivered rate, a measure of service reliability, for October 2024 was 99.9 percent. Metro-North’s average weekday ridership of 200,087 in November is 81.4 percent of pre-COVID levels in November 2019, reflecting robust return-to-work ridership; with average weekend ridership of 122,6637, which is 94.2 percent of pre-COVID levels.
  by JoshKarpoff
 
Hope it all gets built... and then some.
As a Croton resident, curious what they're looking to change at Croton-Harmon station and the Harmon Shops & Yards complex. Also, I thought that they had finished all of the Hudson Line resiliency projects? What else needs to be relocated to higher grade?
  by west point
 
Some confusion here, Sloppy reporting by media has variously said a 2nd track or said another track at Spuyten Duyvil. As I recall there are 3 MNRR tracks there and one Amtrak westside track that joins MNRR near W.231st street. There the MNRR tracks become 4 main tracks on north. Is this new track going to be east of the current MNRR tracks?

My memory of this is some fuzzy. Many years ago, took an early morning NYP - ALB train. On the westside connector we took a somewhat delay (10+ minutes) waiting for a pack of southbound MNRR commuter trains to clear that junction/ We then proceeded thru at least 2 switch layouts to enter the northbound inside express track then trying to make up time.

The point is that to allow for both MNRR GCY and future NYP + Amtrak the tracks to from NYP it needs a fly over the 2 west MNRR tracks to enter / exit the 2 inside MNRR tracks. That will prevent many delays such as happened in this example. Otherwise, northbound NYP trains will either be delayed by south bound MNRR trains or the opposite will happen. The possible ~~ 20 NYP trains will create a real traffic jam at this location. As well, any southbound NYP train on the southbound express track has to wait for any northbound train to clear a mile or so north before it can proceed toward NYP.
  by Railjunkie
 
CP 12 is where Amtrak joins MNRR it is also where MNRR goes from four main tracks to three with a connector over to Amtrak property and the Spuyten Duyvil bridge aka Inwood. Is NYS going to spend the money to double track the bridge?? Double track from CP 12 to the other side of Inwood? A lot of money for few delays caused by Amtrak itself. I have spent more time waiting for the bridge to close, a signal at the bridge or a MNRR local to clear CP12 than I have an Amtrak train.

west point said
"The point is that to allow for both MNRR GCY and future NYP + Amtrak the tracks to from NYP it needs a fly over the 2 west MNRR tracks to enter / exit the 2 inside MNRR tracks. That will prevent many delays such as happened in this example. Otherwise, northbound NYP trains will either be delayed by south bound MNRR trains or the opposite will happen. The possible ~~ 20 NYP trains will create a real traffic jam at this location. As well, any southbound NYP train on the southbound express track has to wait for any northbound train to clear a mile or so north before it can proceed toward NYP."

First it was a flyover the East river now Amtrak needs to fly over track four it can get to tracks two and one. The inner express tracks if you wish. The area you wish to make this happen has the Hudson as close as 10ft to as much 40ft ish away. The other side is nothing but hillside. Currently stable so lets not mess with it. To achieve the grades you would need there just isn't the room. From the southbound signal CP12 to Amtrak property is a half mile give or take. I'm going on the shorter side. On the north side of things IF you were able to acheive your goals I think you would have to start the somewhere around Riverdale, the last station before CP12. Which means all your doing is bumping the congestion further up the road at say CP19 to get your trains sorted out.
  by Railjunkie
 
Railjunkie wrote: Wed Jan 08, 2025 1:42 pm CP 12 is where Amtrak joins MNRR it is also where MNRR goes from four main tracks to three with a connector over to Amtrak property and the Spuyten Duyvil bridge aka Inwood. Is NYS going to spend the money to double track the bridge?? Double track from CP 12 to the other side of Inwood? A lot of money for few delays caused by Amtrak itself. I have spent more time waiting for the bridge to close, a signal at the bridge or a MNRR local to clear CP12 than I have an Amtrak train.

west point said
"The point is that to allow for both MNRR GCY and future NYP + Amtrak the tracks to from NYP it needs a fly over the 2 west MNRR tracks to enter / exit the 2 inside MNRR tracks. That will prevent many delays such as happened in this example. Otherwise, northbound NYP trains will either be delayed by south bound MNRR trains or the opposite will happen. The possible ~~ 20 NYP trains will create a real traffic jam at this location. As well, any southbound NYP train on the southbound express track has to wait for any northbound train to clear a mile or so north before it can proceed toward NYP."

First it was a flyover the East river now Amtrak needs to fly over track four it can get to tracks two and one. The inner express tracks if you wish. The area you wish to make this happen has the Hudson as close as 10ft to as much 40ft ish away. The other side is nothing but hillside. Currently stable so lets not mess with it. To achieve the grades you would need there just isn't the room. From the southbound signal CP12 to Amtrak property is a half mile give or take (2400ft and some change measured it last night.) I'm going on the shorter side. Total distance from the southbound signal CP12 to the signal at Innwood AKA Spuyten Duyvil bridge is just over 4900ft, again measured last night and contains single track.
On the north side of things IF you were able to achieve your goals I think you would have to start the somewhere around Riverdale, the last station before CP12. Which means all your doing is bumping the congestion further up the road at say CP19 to get your trains sorted out.
  by west point
 
Railjunkie: Thanks for the topography lesson. MY thoughts are it is best to eliminate the slow sections instead oof adding top MAX speeds. By flying over the Bronx river and Spuyten until typography permits schedules for all routes will be tightened at less costs. Amtrak and future MNRR - NYP can use it for 90 MPH operations without having to slow for the swing bridge and opposing traffic.

An item that I've noticed is the impatience that is shown by all rail riders when a train slows or stops for whatever reason then finally speeds up. IMO very important to reduce or eliminate those problems. A train that continuously runs without speed variations seem to be pleasing to all riders. That would be an interesting survey of European HSR operations.

All my trips on the Crescent south of ATL have taken major delays at CP Howell. Comments both ways are why so close to the station do we have to wait either direction. Happened again today going south. It left station, go a mile or so then wait and wait almost an hour.
  by Railjunkie
 
west point wrote: Fri Jan 10, 2025 10:51 pm Railjunkie: Thanks for the topography lesson. MY thoughts are it is best to eliminate the slow sections instead oof adding top MAX speeds. By flying over the Bronx river and until typography permits schedules for all routes will be tightened at less costs. Amtrak and future MNRR - NYP can use it for 90 MPH operations without having to slow for the swing bridge and opposing traffic.

An item that I've noticed is the impatience that is shown by all rail riders when a train slows or stops for whatever reason then finally speeds up. IMO very important to reduce or eliminate those problems. A train that continuously runs without speed variations seem to be pleasing to all riders. That would be an interesting survey of European HSR operations.

All my trips on the Crescent south of ATL have taken major delays at CP Howell. Comments both ways are why so close to the station do we have to wait either direction. Happened again today going south. It left station, go a mile or so then wait and wait almost an hour.
Speeds south of Harmon for the most part are 70mph with a little 75mph mixed in. You want 90mph going to have to lengthen blocks and that is going to cost heap big money to go along with your flyover and what ever clearance the USCG needs for Spuyten Duyvil, even bigger piles. Which I still think is an absolute foolish expense. Double track the bridge and to either sides of the interlockings if you are worried about delays. Still say I've been dinged more waiting for MNRR than a bridge closing or a Amtrak train to clear. Only been doing it for 27 years.
Furthermore at one time speeds north of The Highlands was pretty much 90mph with some 80mph mixed in, MNRR has dropped the speed to 80mph through that area. The difference between 80mph and 90mph is seconds not minutes. Like I have been saying on this site for years, its not how fast you go, its how you go fast.

Using a passenger train on a freight railroad especially NS for comparison is not what I would call very scientific. I am also qualified on the Mohawk and that is CSX territory and while they are better at dispatching. I have plenty of stories of getting stuck behind and following their trains for a 100 miles riding yellows.