Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

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Re: Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

Post by BandA » Sun Aug 07, 2016 11:14 pm

They've known for a month now what part failed. If they were smart they started working on contingencies during the first week of July. If they started work on this before the failure then there is something Rotem in Denmark.
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Re: Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

Post by pumpers » Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:51 am

Backshophoss wrote:It's possible Canton Drop Forge has a license from GSC as well.
Canton Drop Forge was listed as one of two possible suppliers for the equalizers in the original bidding spec for Silverliner V, but they lost to the Columbus Castings (formerly Buckeye). So I assume they at least had a license at that time. JS

Note to BikeNtransit: they (whoever the supplier is) certainly aren't supplying all the equalizers by Labor Day, which it sounded you might have had the impression of. The plan was 10 cars /week (40 equalizers I presume!) through some time in November. Don't know if that sounds more reasonable to someone in the industry.
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Post by bikentransit » Mon Aug 08, 2016 10:40 pm

That does sound more reasonable. Lead times on custom forgings usually run 4-6 weeks. Then there's machining time. Maybe the shop doing the machining will run 24 hours shifts. Maybe the forging company will do the machining. My only point was these are not off the shelf parts, and there's considerable time to forge the metal, machine it, inspect it, fit it to the car, then test. I'm sure there will be loads of overtime for the companies making these parts, so that may help shave days off delivery time.

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Post by Nasadowsk » Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:08 am

Well, whatever the fix is, it sure ain't coming from Columbus:

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Post by Backshophoss » Wed Aug 17, 2016 8:18 pm

Columbus Castings is done,it was sold off at auction, to the US unit of a German Company,in a year or so the
factory will be demo'ed and removed,to become vacant land sold off to a developer.
They were a supplier to Amtrak and other RR/Transit operations to boot!! :(

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Post by pumpers » Thu Aug 18, 2016 2:29 pm

Any news on all this out of SEPTA lately? it's been a few weeks...

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Post by DutchRailnut » Thu Aug 18, 2016 4:25 pm

the replacement equalizers are being supplied by : http://cantondropforge.com/markets/transportation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Post by pumpers » Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:35 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:the replacement equalizers are being supplied by : http://cantondropforge.com/markets/transportation" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Is that on-line somewhere, or through the grapevine? In any case, that means the new ones will be forged, not plate steel with the infamous weld to the bearing plates on the end to worry about.
Thanks, JS

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Post by silverlinerfan22 » Sat Aug 20, 2016 10:13 am

pumpers wrote:Any news on all this out of SEPTA lately? it's been a few weeks...
Heard yesterday may be delay in meeting schedule for returning cars to service. Apparently questions regarding inspections and apparently something does not match drawings. I will try to find out more.

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Post by silverlinerfan22 » Sun Aug 21, 2016 12:53 pm

One of the issues is that each pin was supposed to have 2 ring clips installed. They came with one. I was told to properly fatigue test them they have to be supplied in accordance with the drawings.

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Post by jayfar » Sun Aug 21, 2016 3:25 pm

I keep seeing mentions of forged equalizer bars in the latter part of this thread, but Knueppel clearly stated in the last news conference that they were going with plate steel. At that time there were two designs under consideration: one with pinned shoes, instead of welds, and another with welded shoes, but of a different design than the failed beams. Anyone know which of those two plate steel designs they decided on?

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Post by pumpers » Sat Aug 27, 2016 7:36 pm

jayfar wrote:I keep seeing mentions of forged equalizer bars in the latter part of this thread, but Knueppel clearly stated in the last news conference that they were going with plate steel. At that time there were two designs under consideration: one with pinned shoes, instead of welds, and another with welded shoes, but of a different design than the failed beams. Anyone know which of those two plate steel designs they decided on?
I'll take part of the blame. The original bidding specs for the Silverliner V's had the following lines (in section 13.5.3)
The equalizer beams shall either be plate steel as provided by the Buckeye Steel Castings Company, or steel forgings as provided by the Canton Drop Forge Company.
So when it was posted the Canton Drop Forge got the job for the replacements, and given all the trouble with the welds, and given that CDFC has a picture of a forged equalizer on its web site, it seemed only natural to me that the equalizers would have been forgings, not plate steel. Not the first mistake I have made and certainly not the last!
EDIT: SEPTA said this week there will be an update this coming week - they said they are behind schedule now but expect to get ahead and finish in October.

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Post by BuddCar711 » Sat Aug 27, 2016 8:33 pm

Saw a set of 2 singles (716 and 738) out for testing at 30th Street. Obviously someone in the shop was trying to be funny by putting electrical tape on 716 to resemble stitches.

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Re: Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

Post by Backshophoss » Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:32 pm

Are they doing with/without sandbags as ballast testing?

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Re: Silverliner Vs Out of Service - Technical Topics

Post by BuddCar711 » Sat Aug 27, 2016 9:46 pm

Don't know. Just seen them leaving 30th Street eastbound on track 5.

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