Lackawanna Cutoff Passenger Service Restoration

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Gilbert B Norman
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Re: Lackawanna Cutoff Passenger Service Restoration

Post by Gilbert B Norman » Thu May 23, 2019 10:57 am

Sorta looks like this "Beowulf" I inadvertently created has become the GOT Dragons with its latest diversions to I-80 highway traffic.

Funny how on my auto trips to Greenwich ( ORD-HPN either on Chautauqua Airlines or Expressjet can get mighty megabuck if not booked properly), Eastward I'm on the 287 at Parsippany Twp and moving at posted, X-ing the GMCB (formerly TZB) and its $5 EZ-Pass toll ($15 on GWB), still moving at or near posted and looking at all those poor souls trying to "snake" their way WW.

Returning, funny how I'm departing Greenwich at about 930A for my toll free X-ing over George and with little traffic on the 95 getting there.

Of course, I respect that Miss Phoebe's trip is for business apparently in Manhattan and cannot avail "herself" of that option - especially with time of travel.

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Re: Lackawanna Cutoff Passenger Service Restoration

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Thu May 23, 2019 5:06 pm

I think it's safe to say that in general, people who might live closer to the stations on the M&E west of Dover will drive to either Dover or even Denville for more service. Very few trains continue beyond Dover and the frequencies get even smaller west of Mt. Olive.

Don't be surprised if there are people who might live in the Mt. Olive area who will drive to Harrison and take the Path. In fact, even when you enter electrified territory on the M&E, there are still many people who drive to Harrison for the Path train as the NJT train rides are still too long, especially on weekends. Once you get to Morristown, then the trains either empty out when heading west or they start to fill up when heading east.

CentralValleyRail
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Re: Lackawanna Cutoff Passenger Service Restoration

Post by CentralValleyRail » Thu May 23, 2019 7:52 pm

njt/mnrrbuff wrote:I think it's safe to say that in general, people who might live closer to the stations on the M&E west of Dover will drive to either Dover or even Denville for more service. Very few trains continue beyond Dover and the frequencies get even smaller west of Mt. Olive.

Don't be surprised if there are people who might live in the Mt. Olive area who will drive to Harrison and take the Path. In fact, even when you enter electrified territory on the M&E, there are still many people who drive to Harrison for the Path train as the NJT train rides are still too long, especially on weekends. Once you get to Morristown, then the trains either empty out when heading west or they start to fill up when heading east.
Most people do not drive from Western Morris County to take the PATH. There may be a few. As in like 5 people. The drive into Harrison is one of the worst drives in the state, 280 the GSP and NJTP are some of the worst rush hour roads.. It can take one an hour plus to go from Denville to Harrison..
lensovet wrote:
R36 Combine Coach wrote:
JasW wrote:
The younger generation (or "younger generation," as the esteemed Mr. Norman might put it) has gravitated to the urban core, rather than West Podunk. People will not be lining up to commute to NYC from Blairstown or anywhere across the Delaware. Even Andover seems like a waste -- you might as well just drive to the station in Mt. Olive.
Mount Olive wasn't apparently built as a park-ride, unlike Mount Arlington station off I-80. Mount Olive only has 23 spaces, meaning if even each space was filled with a carpool of five, everyone could fit in a single Comet V coach.

and despite being built as a park-and-ride station, Arlington only got 110 average weekday riders in 2017. On a lot that has 274 parking spots.

Note that Wayne-Rt 23 does even worse with just 106 weekday riders. I guess the one seat ride (or lack thereof) really does kill ridership.


Yeah because the parking lot is full by 7:30am with bus riders and people have to go to the overflow at Mother's Park and Ride... Most riders who ride from Wayne actually get on at Mountain View,(and anyone who actually lives in Wayne will drive by Mountain View on the way to 23 transit center) parking is free and you don't have to deal with the park and ride which is a zoo in and of itself.. So combine that ridership number. The lack of a true express train or one seat ride as you mentioned kills Wayne. Get better service into Wayne and people will use it... it's 10 minutes back to double tracking territory and the yard it's not rocket science.. But then again NJ MID LEVEL crap management is BAD. The bus takes OVER an hour during rush hour and Saturday and Sunday is no picnic either.
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