WoH Port Jervis Line Service, Studies, Work, Status

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Post by DutchRailnut » Mon Apr 18, 2005 6:16 pm

Metro North ownes about 46 Comet V's Andybut only on west side of Hudson.

On east side of Hudson were not needing new cars and keeping entire fleet Bombardier is cheaper for parts.
If Conductors are in charge, why are they promoted to be Engineer???

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Post by Silverliner II » Mon Apr 18, 2005 11:27 pm

I did actually see a Metro-North cab car make it into Penn Station on a few occasions in NJ Transit service...

It was Comet III cab car #5179.

Comet III's 5179 and 5180 were lettered up for Metro-North (similar to the other WOH stock). Then, NJT got title to them outright (I don't know when) and they became the second NJT #5009 and 5010, respectively.

The original NJT 5009 and 5010 are Comet IV's and were renumbered to #5030 and 5031, respectively.
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Post by District D RTC » Tue Apr 19, 2005 9:35 am

Rod Stewart must be an NJ Transit fan. Why else would he sing about broken Arrows?


Also, see the video for downtown train, and there's some Eric Clapton song both with scenes from Hoboken.

The NJT (MN) cab car formerly 5179 IIRC worked Trenton Service with the MN Markings intact both before and after the renumber. After the renumber it took about a month to catch up to it for the NJT markings, but it was routine to see it on one of the NYP-TRE Expresses during the PM Rush.[/quote]

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Post by Silverliner II » Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:32 am

I've seen the Downtown Train video....actually, it was the Hoboken Terminal scenes that caught my eye. Now that song sticks in my head whenever I find myself on a train departing there....
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Post by KFRG » Tue Apr 19, 2005 10:46 am

O/T a bit: How come MN never got CV's for its own East-of-Husdon service? I know they got all the old CI's and CII's, but never understood whey they didn't get some new CV's too for that side.


EOH Bomb's are refered to as the "Shoreliner" series, and mechanical differences exist. Same deal with other agency's Bomb's (Ex. MBTA, SEPTA, AMT etc.) WOH MN Bomb's are all NJT spec.
The topic of MN Comet's making it into Penn came across my mind recently. I wonder if there are any photo's out there.

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Post by BlockLine_4111 » Thu Apr 21, 2005 1:32 am

They need to get those speeds up a notch or so and shave off some time for those poor souls that make this train their 2nd home.

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Post by Lackawanna484 » Thu Apr 21, 2005 12:21 pm

this is a line where increased speeds could make a huge difference. Below Tuxedo, there are too many crossings, back yards, etc. But, north of Tux, they could fire the power up to 100 mph. I don't believe there are any grade crossings on the Graham Line segment

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Post by R44 5308 A Train » Sat Apr 23, 2005 2:53 pm

MN Comet Vs are much smoother than NJT's...I've ridden both. :-)

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Post by DutchRailnut » Sat Apr 23, 2005 3:40 pm

must be lighter paint ??? they come off same assembly line in Hornell.
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Post by Silverliner II » Sun Apr 24, 2005 2:04 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:must be lighter paint ??? they come off same assembly line in Hornell.


Well, that striping on the bottom of the NJT Comet V's DOES add a few pounds.... :-D
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Changes to the Port Jervis Line come this April.

Post by braves » Fri Mar 10, 2006 7:43 am

Has anyone heard of any changes planned for the Port Jervis Line come this April for trains during peak-off-peak & weekend, if so, what are the changes being proposed.

Butlershops

Speeds Increased

Post by Butlershops » Mon Mar 20, 2006 10:48 pm

The speeds on the Port Jervis Line were increased today. Passenger trains now have a maximum speed of 70 MPH west of Middletown (They used to be 60). Woodbury Viaduct is now good for 55 MPH (was 45).

Now if we can only get an automatic signal between CP-Harriman and CP-Central Valley westbounds woudn't have to crawl at 40 MPH between these points.

The controlled siding between CP-OV and CP-Howels is still 40 MPH. (It was 60 when NS and Conrail ran the show)

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Post by sullivan1985 » Tue Mar 21, 2006 1:17 am

Last at grade crossing is immediately west of Tuxedo. There is defiantly potential for a high speed operation on this line. Long straightaways and wide curves. Plus that welded rail always helps.

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Post by Nyterider » Wed Mar 22, 2006 8:09 pm

I took a fan trip on this line last fall and it seemed to be entirely CWR west of Harriman now. Only the jointed rail between Suffern and Harriman remains to be replaced.

A related question: What's the prognosis for NS traffic on this line in the future? They've essentially sold the Port Jervis line to Metro-North. I just hope the Southern Tier between Port Jervis and Binghamton doesn't become an abandonment candidate. :( If I really need to post this under Norfolk Southern, just give me a holler.

JoeG

Post by JoeG » Thu Mar 23, 2006 10:21 am

They seemed to have replaced the old signal lines. There hasn't been a signal outage in a long time. (They announced that project a while ago, but I didn't see anything about its completion.)

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