• Dansville Hill Grade

  • Discussion relating to the Delaware, Lackawanna & Western, the Erie, and the resulting 1960 merger creating the Erie Lackawanna. Visit the Erie Lackawanna Historical Society at http://www.erielackhs.org/.
Discussion relating to the Delaware, Lackawanna & Western, the Erie, and the resulting 1960 merger creating the Erie Lackawanna. Visit the Erie Lackawanna Historical Society at http://www.erielackhs.org/.

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  by Fireman43
 
In regards to the grade of the DL&W at Dansville, I can't find the thread I read last night when the comments were referencing the need for pushers north bound (west) for freights loaded with coal , but returning no need with empty gons.

Unsure if on this forum or NYS, but my couple questions are:

I presumed the grade was going DOWN from Wayland to Dansville. ( NB) ???????

Did the Erie take over this segment from the DL? If so. did the Erie haul coal or had that diminished by the time of take over?

And lastly, I know the coal on other lines went to be loaded on lake freighters - Charlotte, Sodus Bay and Fairhaven ,but where was the coal on the DL destined?
Mark
  by Fireman43
 
My comment on the grade from Dansville to Wayland is only by my visual from the 390. Suppose. I should look at a topomap.

Mark
  by s4ny
 
Groveland to Wayland was eastbound and used pushers. I do not recall seeing pushers in the diesel era, but do recall seeing as many as 7 locomotives on eastbound freights in Wayland.

There were 2 wyes between Perkinsville an Wayland. One for the DL&W and the other for the Shawmut.

When Erie and DL&W merged in 1960 the new company continued to operate on the Groveland - Wayland segment, but quickly single tracked the line and then abandoned the segment entirely.
  by TrainDetainer
 
Fireman43 wrote: Sat Oct 05, 2019 8:51 pm And lastly, I know the coal on other lines went to be loaded on lake freighters - Charlotte, Sodus Bay and Fairhaven ,but where was the coal on the DL destined?
Mark
DLW coal went to the canal area at Buffalo between Main St and Erie St for transfer to lake freighters or local sale. The whole area where the Marine Apartments and the Naval park are was all coal yard. Where the navy ships are now was for coal ships.
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
I recall a '60 "joyride" on Westward Miss Phoebe, where it did seem to be a "pull" for her two E-8's with maybe ten, including head end, cars.

I got off in Dansville for a return to Hoboken on The Mail, which was the only time in my life I pulled the "cheap trick" of "short hauling" a Sleeper.

I first rode the ERIE to Binghampton and there, using a "giveaway" Coach only DL&W ticket on to Dansville, returning was to be Coach to Bingo thence occupying the Sleeper at a regular rate. However, shortly after boarding the Mail at Dansville the Conductor, followed by the Porter, announces "which of you has a Sleeper from Binghampton?". I raised me hand. "Well, you'd better go up there now; I had a Coach go Bad Order on me, and I'm going to need every seat I got- that even includes in the Diner".

I've never felt right about doing that, and even though I learn of that stunt being pulled today on Amtrak, I will have no part of such.

Finally, to end back on topic, it is no wonder that segment was first to be chopped up after the merger.
  by Fireman43
 
Mr Norman,
Interesting recollections.
You mention the Dansville Station.
As the ROW is up I’d call the hillside, where would the station have been?

I know , referring to Charles Woolevers Existing Stations website I can’t determine where a station would have been.
I suppose Charles might also enlighten me.

Mark
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
Here is a photo of the DL&W Dansville station. It certainly appears to be part way up a hill. Somewhere I noted a reference to Depot Street on which the station was apparently located.

However, I "drove" the Googlemobile along Depot Road looking for the structure without success. However, take that "drive" yourself and you will note many a vista of the valley below.

Here is a photo album of DL&W structures compiled by this site's former owner, John Stewart:

https://www.flickr.com/photos/jnos363/a ... 053216202/
  by nydepot
 
42.579851, -77.695661

Station is long gone, so not on my site.
  by Fireman43
 
Charles,
Not knowledgeable enough to plug in coordinates but are you saying no pic of a station but this is the location?
Also on your site you have the D and M station in Dansville- did not the Erie take over this trackage or am I really confused?