• CSX Acquisition of Pan Am Railways

  • Guilford Rail System changed its name to Pan Am Railways in 2006. Discussion relating to the current operations of the Boston & Maine, the Maine Central, and the Springfield Terminal railroads (as well as the Delaware & Hudson while it was under Guilford control until 1988). Official site can be found here: PANAMRAILWAYS.COM.
Guilford Rail System changed its name to Pan Am Railways in 2006. Discussion relating to the current operations of the Boston & Maine, the Maine Central, and the Springfield Terminal railroads (as well as the Delaware & Hudson while it was under Guilford control until 1988). Official site can be found here: PANAMRAILWAYS.COM.

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  by newpylong
 
jamoldover wrote: Tue Jun 11, 2024 5:38 pm Quite possible. I thought that had originally been introduced as a measure to prevent pedestrian and vehicle strikes during tourist season, though- has that been removed as a concern in other ways?
Doubtful.

Pan Am was obviously more risk average than many other outfits as exampled by their reluctance to allow 79 MPH running on 115lb rail, strange spot speed restrictions in the TT, etc.

CSX has a higher tolerance of risk and probably figures there is sufficient signage and crossing lights to indicate that people need to stay off the tracks and that they aren't going to slow down for a you problem, not a we problem.
  by neman2
 
MEC407 wrote: Wed Jun 12, 2024 5:58 am On one of those 90+ degree days, out of curiosity, I contracted NNEPRA and asked them about the change. They replied, "Amtrak has indicated that CSX does have a different protocol for monitoring and implementing heat restrictions. Currently, there are no reductions in speed."
Several times last summer I heard track patrols call for track time to perform "heat patrols," I don't recall that term used in the Pan Am era.
  by newpylong
 
They definitely did them.

Unrelated note but worth drawing attention to. Yesterday morning Midcoast (the Rockland Branch operator) handed off one of their engines and a Budd car to the CSX local in Brunswick.

This morning M427 was spotted nearly to New York with both of these units onboard. Coming from working on Guilford and then Pan Am this type of transit time was unheard of. We would have two days worth of trains either on the road or tied down somewhere and another 1-3 days worth of trains sitting in the yard waiting to be switched.

I know this is not going to be the case for all carloads and I am by no means a CSX homer but I was blown away to see that and I hope it means other customers are seeing better velocity as well.
  by bostontrainguy
 
newpylong wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:39 am
bostontrainguy wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 11:28 am
It would be great if CSX tries to rebuild reefer traffic to the New England Produce Center or what is left of it.
That would be difficult considering half of the complex has been razed and is now the Amazon distro center. The traffic isn't completely dead - CSX is moving cars into there, but certainly way down from when they were running over the Grand Junction however many years ago.
It's more like a third of the produce market has been taken over by Amazon. Technically none I guess since the building razed was not actually part of the New England Produce Market but a separately owned operation, Boston Market Terminal. The owner mentioned in an interview that the availability of rail service was an important asset.

https://everettindependent.com/2021/04/ ... he-street/

However that is not the most interesting part of the puzzle. If you check out Google Earth you will see the brand new Amazon building as it was completed in 2023. Note the nicely marked parking lot:

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Now note one year later the complete redesign of that parking lot:

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And a few articles I have found that mention that Amazon is closing down it's Everett operations. Now I know they had a different building on Beacham Street but there is no mention of the newer building on the former Boston Market Terminal site. And why would they reconfigure a brand new parking lot unless they made a major change in their plans? Did they sell the building? Just curious observations.

https://everettleader.com/2022/09/01/am ... on-effort/

https://everettindependent.com/2022/08/ ... be-closed/

And notice the reefer in the lower part of the picture that hasn't moved in about a year or so.
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  by newpylong
 
Not the same reefer, that is just where they stash them (on the straight iron so it's easier to tie on). Flip between 2023 and 2024, the 2024 car is set to the east 3/4 car length from the car the year before.

My point was regardless of what the Boston Market Terminal was called, that building saw the majority of rail traffic in the 2000s when CSX served it via the Junction from the south. But yes, your point is valid that the actual Produce Market proper could still produce quite a few inbound carloads if they could win the traffic.
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  by bostontrainguy
 
Noted correction on the lone reefer. Do you know if the IRAP grant money includes any plans to rebuild any of the leads into the Produce Market docks?
  by NHV 669
 
Nothing for FY 2024 at least.

The application deadline for FY 2025 just closed a few weeks ago.
  by ElectricTraction
 
What's wild to me is the parking deck on top of the building itself. It would make sense that the ground-level space is thus used for trucks.
  by FatNoah
 
And a few articles I have found that mention that Amazon is closing down it's Everett operations.
The articles and their photos appear to be referring to the Beacham Street location, which was redeveloped in 2020.
  by bostontrainguy
 
It does but it makes no comment to suggest the status or existence of the newer building which is strange. The major rebuilding of the just completed parking lot seems to suggest a change in plans for what was the building's original purpose. It would seem they have pulled out of Everett entirely. Unfortunately we have lost a potential rail customer because the Boston Food Mart was pretty active once and could have possibly been brought back online.
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
Mr. Trainguy et al, I've never bought anything from Amazon in this life (maybe in the next), but I'm astounded to learn, if I read these postings correctly, that they even offer fresh produce for sale.

But I sure know that "my MILW" (I left Dec '81; "The End" was Dec '85) wasn't interested in handling such. Sure I see refrigerated cars Uncle Warren handles by my house, but do they really contain fresh produce as distinct from frozen meals like Lean Cuisine?

So, away from passenger train agency funded FRA Class 4, is this broken down excuse for a road that Chessie is "trying to make something of" really ready to handle fresh produce?
  by NHV 669
 
Mr. Norman, no such suggestion has been made that the produce centers mentioned are owned by Amazon, simply that Amazon is building their own infrastructure on a former footprint that marketed produce.

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't this already a CSXT customer before Pan Am took over serving their customers within Boston?
  by BandA
 
They have handled fresh produce in the recent past. But does the food go by train to Chelsea then trucked to the seller's distribution center? Or by truck directly from California to the seller's center?

For example, Walmart's main distribution center for Massachusetts seems to be in Maine. Amazon also owns Whole Foods supermarket, so I wonder if they use the same distribution center for direct customers and their own supermarkets?
  by bostontrainguy
 
NHV 669 wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 2:40 pm If I'm not mistaken, wasn't this already a CSXT customer before Pan Am took over serving their customers within Boston?
Way back it was served by CSX via the Grand Junction but the Memorial Drive bridge restricted access by more modern excess-height reefers. I saw an excess-height car set out after hitting that bridge way back. Then Pan Am was supposed to take over the service coming in from the north side but there still was a height restiction under a bridge near Sullivan Square which was recently cleared. The State of Mass recently awarded half a million dollar IRAP grant to CSX to rehab the entire line to the Coke Works. Only time will tell if CSX can manage to regenerate reefer service to the Produce Center but the State felt there is potential rail service growth on the line.
  by newpylong
 
Gilbert B Norman wrote: Fri Jun 14, 2024 1:33 pm
So, away from passenger train agency funded FRA Class 4, is this broken down excuse for a road that Chessie is "trying to make something of" really ready to handle fresh produce?
That "road" is now fully CSX Transportation, fully merged.

In two years they have already moved the entire 350 ish miles from Worcester to Mattawamkeag from being out of service and Class 1/2 to entirely Class 2 and 3 (plus the Class 4 Portland Sub). If they wanted to make something of it, they now absolutely have the capability of doing so.
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