Discussion relating to the operations of MTA MetroNorth Railroad including west of Hudson operations and discussion of CtDOT sponsored rail operations such as Shore Line East and the Springfield to New Haven Hartford Line

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  by peirce
 
It was a gloomy morning last Wednesday, when I make this photo of FL9 2027 departing Danbury. I had just been informed that most of the P40s destined to replace the FL9s were "on property." This might be the last time we see 2027 departing Danbury in regular revenue service.

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  by Lackawanna484
 
Thanks for posting. The FL-9 units have been part of that scene for nearly 4 decades. It will look different without them.

  by RRGUY
 
Actually that FL9 is still on the road although it now sports quite a dent after striking a large tree this evening south of MP12.

  by AMoreira81
 
This was an even gloomier day for 2027, albeit it had just snowed.

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The FL-9s will be missed when they are retired, but close to 50 years of service is pretty good for a passenger locomotive.

  by Noel Weaver
 
Well, when the FL-9's finally go to the scrap yard to be cut up, at least the
railroad can put a note on most of them, "THIS ENGINE DID NOT DIE, WE
HAD TO SHUT IT DOWN".
I am sure that the GE's are better to work on for the crews, I wonder how
the fuel consumption compares.
Noel Weaver

  by DutchRailnut
 
One genesis uses about 1/3th of fuel compared two two FL9's on a NY train.

  by ELSDP45
 
One genesis uses about 1/3th of fuel compared two two FL9's on a NY train.
But does this number take into account the countless hours these toasters spend at part throttle providing HEP while laying over?

  by Jersey_Mike
 
Someone should get in touch with their state reps and try to raise a ruckus to keep those home grown CT engines in service.

  by Noel Weaver
 
Jersey_Mike wrote:Someone should get in touch with their state reps and try to raise a ruckus to keep those home grown CT engines in service.
The FL-9's might still run but they have run their time and it is time for
them to be retired.
Writing to a legislator for an item like this is not a worth while effort, they
have bigger and better concerns than 45 to 50 year old locomotives.
CDOT and the MTA have done their part to save a reasonable number of
these locomotives.
The FL-9's were not the best locomotive that General Motors ever built but
they lasted a long time due to their unique ability to run off third rail and
meet the tight weight and clearance restrictions into Grand Central
Terminal.
I ran every one of the FL-9's at one time or another so I have mixed
feelings about their retirement but it really makes sense to me. The
railroad might store them for a period of time to make sure that the GE's
do not have any problems and maybe until they either have a very long
term lease or have purchased outright the GE units.
Dutch, correct me if I am wrong but standby on the engines for the 480 is
only required in cold weather to prevent the equipment from freezing and
in locations where there is no ground 480 available. I know there is 480
available at Grand Central but I am not too sure just where else on Metro-
North that 480 is available at the present time.
I would think that fuel savings is one big reason that CDOT is going with
these engines, they should have lots of good miles left in them.
Noel Weaver

  by DutchRailnut
 
The GE's can provide HEP in layover mode, its a low idle setting were the 18 pole Generator provides HEP at low idle. a setting that will save fuel better than the FL9's cummins or Caterpillar HEP.
Besides GCT there are standby 480 boxes in Danbury and Brewster and Poughkeepsie.

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  by Tom Curtin
 
Is there 480 in Wassiac? Just curious

  by DutchRailnut
 
your right Tom Wassaic has 480 volt standby

  by Alcochaser
 
DutchRailnut wrote:The GE's can provide HEP in layover mode, its a low idle setting were the 18 pole Generator provides HEP at low idle. a setting that will save fuel better than the FL9's cummins or Caterpillar HEP.
Besides GCT there are standby 480 boxes in Danbury and Brewster and Poughkeepsie.
Incorrect.... the P40DC has an Alternator. An Inverter is used to provide the 480VAC HEP. The same as the P32AC-DM HEP wise. The motor in standby HEP will idle in around Run-3.

FYI: Traction is via Rectifier and DC traction motors on a P40DC

More trivia: The largest locomotives with Generators for traction were the ALCo C628, and early GE U28B/U28C units. All using the General Electric GT-598. The GT-598 barely fit in a locomotive. Hence the change to smaller Alternators.

  by DutchRailnut
 
yes I ment an alternator.
The P40 however delivers HEP directly off the Alternator.
The P32acdm delivers power via Inverter and no steady RPM is required.