• Amtrak Gateway Tunnels - Freight Usage

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This forum will be for issues that don't belong specifically to one NYC area transit agency, but several. For instance, intra-MTA proposals or MTA-wide issues, which may involve both Metro-North Railroad (MNRR) and the Long Island Railroad (LIRR). Other intra-agency examples: through running such as the now discontinued MNRR-NJT Meadowlands special. Topics which only concern one operating agency should remain in their respective forums.

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  by photobug56
 
We need whatever level of freight moved to rail that we can handle. Our roads can't handle so many trucks. So the tunnel is badly needed along with other rail improvements.
  by west point
 
The length of trains (not # of cars) will have to be limited by whatever length of each train that will completely fit into the yard(s) it is dispatched into. Must clear mains for LIRR.
  by eolesen
 
If you're not running longer trains you're not removing trucks from the roads...

And in just one or two posts you've completely Illustrated why this idea has gone nowhere over the last 50 years.



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  by STrRedWolf
 
lensovet wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:09 am
photobug56 wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:38 am Our roads can't handle so many trucks.
[citation needed]
Congestion Pricing is Coming To New York. Everyone Has an Opinion. NY Times article.

If the roads are full, you can't add more anything, including trucks. And when they start playing with congestion charges, you can definitely say the roads are full and there's no room for more roads!
eolesen wrote:Yeah, I get that there are sidings and some freight capacity in yards further out, but I'm having a hard time imagining multiple 100 car freights rolling through the elevated track that runs through many of the communities between Suffolk and the city limits...
How long is the trash train?
  by eolesen
 
Congestion pricing is all about making money, not reducing cars. They know a majority of people will pay the tax without blinking.

It's true that the congestion pricing in London did reduce private cars, but they were just replaced with more buses and Rideshare providers who gladly pay the congestion charge (or are exempt). Supposedly, pollution from diesel particulates are up since implementing the charge...

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  by scratchyX1
 
eolesen wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:31 pm Congestion pricing is all about making money, not reducing cars. They know a majority of people will pay the tax without blinking.

It's true that the congestion pricing in London did reduce private cars, but they were just replaced with more buses and Rideshare providers who gladly pay the congestion charge (or are exempt). Supposedly, pollution from diesel particulates are up since implementing the charge...

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech ... evels.html
The report was from 2018. Gasoline Single driver cars replaced with HOV buses, and taxis, which at the time were diesel.
Since then, the Buses and taxis are now LEV , and the amount of Nox emissions have gone down, again.
  by photobug56
 
STrRedWolf wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 8:04 am
lensovet wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:09 am
photobug56 wrote: Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:38 am Our roads can't handle so many trucks.
[citation needed]
Congestion Pricing is Coming To New York. Everyone Has an Opinion. NY Times article.

If the roads are full, you can't add more anything, including trucks. And when they start playing with congestion charges, you can definitely say the roads are full and there's no room for more roads!
eolesen wrote:Yeah, I get that there are sidings and some freight capacity in yards further out, but I'm having a hard time imagining multiple 100 car freights rolling through the elevated track that runs through many of the communities between Suffolk and the city limits...
How long is the trash train?
If you get a lot of the long distance trucks off the road, there will be plenty of room for local delivery trucks which will have to cover far fewer miles. Indeed, most LD trucks go somewhere to offload, then goods are reloaded on local delivery trucks. Eliminating many LD trucks will reduce traffic and pollution. It might not be as cost efficient (for the tunnel, etc.) as you would like, or as it could be in other parts of the country, but it is badly needed.
  by photobug56
 
Congestion pricing will have minimal effect on LD trucks, except to make it a bad idea to use the tunnels in midtown.
  by gprimr1
 
I can see a lot of opposition to freight trains idling in Brooklyn for long periods waiting for the tunnel. Might need to invest in shore power connectors so they can be turned off when not in use.
  by scratchyX1
 
gprimr1 wrote: Fri Jan 14, 2022 11:46 am I can see a lot of opposition to freight trains idling in Brooklyn for long periods waiting for the tunnel. Might need to invest in shore power connectors so they can be turned off when not in use.
Or using battery electric locomotives...
  by ExCon90
 
If freight trains have to idle in Brooklyn for long periods they won't take much freight away from trucks, especially high-rated freight.
  by photobug56
 
Wow, so many problems and there hasn't even yet been any planning! :-)