• AEM-7/ALP-44 status

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Discussion relating to Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority (Philadelphia Metro Area). Official web site can be found here: www.septa.com. Also including discussion related to the PATCO Speedline rapid transit operated by Delaware River Port Authority. Official web site can be found here: http://www.ridepatco.org/.

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  by CNJGeep
 
Delivered to Morrisville today for scrapping.
  by Silverliner5
 
CNJGeep wrote: Sat May 14, 2022 9:12 am Delivered to Morrisville today for scrapping.
Got any pics of the locomotives scrapped?
  by Silverliner5
 
They are now heading to sims metals in Morrisville PA for scrapping, CSX has picked them up
  by MACTRAXX
 
CNJ and Everyone - To me this is a shame that these 8 motors could have had more life outside SEPTA
and been sold to another company (MBTA, MARC, Caltrain, GO Transit come to mind) for a fraction of the
cost of new motors...From the videos posted of the scrap move all eight motors look to be in reasonable
condition and thankfully had not been subject to problems such as vandalism in storage...

For those unaware NJT has a group of stored ALP44 (same type as #2308) motors that have been basically
abandoned and suffered from weather exposure and acts of vandalism...In the case of scrapping that group
of motors should actually have been the ones going to be put out of their misery...MACTRAXX
  by liftedjeep
 
MACTRAXX wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 10:06 am CNJ and Everyone - To me this is a shame that these 8 motors could have had more life outside SEPTA
and been sold to another company (MBTA, MARC, Caltrain, GO Transit come to mind) for a fraction of the
cost of new motors...From the videos posted of the scrap move all eight motors look to be in reasonable
condition and thankfully had not been subject to problems such as vandalism in storage...

For those unaware NJT has a group of stored ALP44 (same type as #2308) motors that have been basically
abandoned and suffered from weather exposure and acts of vandalism...In the case of scrapping that group
of motors should actually have been the ones going to be put out of their misery...MACTRAXX
The locomotives are old, dated technology - plain and simple!!
If MBTA , MARC, Caltrain (they did receive two Amtrak AEM-7s, IIRC) or GO Transit wanted them, they would have loaded up when Amtrak parted ways with their fleet five, six years ago. Or possibly even expressed interest in any of NJ Transit's mothballed ALP-44s.

Yes, the Septa AEM-7s might have cost a "fraction" of what a newer electric locomotive may cost, but then figure in all of the upkeep and maintenance that would be required keeping an aging locomotive up and running.

The truth is, NOBODY wanted them. You have to look at the situation through the eyes of any business. It's all about making money in the long-term.
  by rcthompson04
 
They seemed quite tired 4 years ago when they were making their last revenue runs. I guess keeping them running when you have an underutilized fleet of Sprinters that can do maintenance work if needed sealed the deal. They served the area well for 30 years without a rebuild (20 counting the ALP-44).
  by CNJGeep
 
MACTRAXX wrote: Mon May 16, 2022 10:06 am CNJ and Everyone - To me this is a shame that these 8 motors could have had more life outside SEPTA
and been sold to another company (MBTA, MARC, Caltrain, GO Transit come to mind) for a fraction of the
cost of new motors...From the videos posted of the scrap move all eight motors look to be in reasonable
condition
They weren't. Those engines were TIRED. They couldn't even keep the three they were running on the wash trains running. Those motors don't owe anyone anything. SEPTA got their money's worth.
  by MACTRAXX
 
CNJ: I figured that you would know the condition of the 8 motors internally - they looked better than even I
expected in the videos posted of their trip to the purchaser for scrap...Wherever SEPTA stored them (Frazer?)
was the right place at least keeping them out of harm's (vandals) way...

BK: What I had thought that these 8 motors had at least some life left in them being that SEPTA used them
for the most part a single weekday round trip - and their appearance as CNJ mentions was deceiving their
internal problems...Sometimes a bargain acquisition really is not had another operator taken these motors
off of SEPTA's hands depending what upgrades that would have been necessary for them to be road-worthy...

SEPTA very much got their worth out of the seven AEM7 motors (March 1987 built basically-35 years ago...)
The ALP44 was a "gift" from ABB as I recall due to the mid 90s N5 car order problems...Hard to believe that
with the fate of the NJT ALP44 fleet that #2308 was actually the best-condition motor of that group...Gone...
MACTRAXX
  by Silverliner5
 
Tbh Septa should've sent 2308 to a Museum but the NJT should restore one and sent it away to museum but in the end of the day they're all gonna get scrapped
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