• Acela II (Alstom Avelia Liberty): Design, Production, Delivery, Acceptance

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  by RandallW
 
jp1822 wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 5:44 am So the water leaks and other 120 some odd punch list items that were holding the trains up are gradually being chipped away at? Last I heard also, the train sets couldn't be tested at more than 90 mph. Hopefully that's resolved. I can't wait for the new train sets. These train sets have sat around for several years and not been in service. And yes, I've read through all the Alstom-AMtrak woes, but haven't seen anything recently.
The Acela IIs have been regularly testing at 165 on that segment of the NEC where they can run at that speed. The 90 limit is when moving between storage, test, training, and other duties.
  by jp1822
 
That's great that they are out and testing at speeds of 165 mph where segments permit! Any update on how the "punch list" of items to be rectified are going so that these units can hopefully be in service soon! Is Alstom storing the other remaining train sets that are complete? There's only five (5) sitting in Penn Coach Yard; when I was on a Regional Train last week and we passed by. There had been more, and I believe Amtrak has certainly retrieved more than the five (5), but I forget what storage arrangement was worked out.......
  by Matt Johnson
 
lensovet wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:09 pm
The current ETA on revenue service is "late 2024".

Amtrak wants to be rid of the Acela trainsets asap. There are no parts for them, they are unreliable, they have had to reduce the number of sets running just to keep spare parts and spare cars around in case one of the ones in service breaks down. The last thing they want to do is prolong their usage any longer than necessary. Someone is working on getting money back from Alstom for all the losses stemming from delayed/cancelled trains etc.

The day can't come soon enough when these can finally run in revenue service.
Is there a phase of testing in between what we have now (occasional night time test runs and a sporadic equipment move here and there) and the start of revenue service? Somehow I envisioned multiple sets running up and down the Corridor doing qualification runs, testing out the scheduled running times, etc.
  by STrRedWolf
 
Matt Johnson wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 8:55 pm
lensovet wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:09 pm
The current ETA on revenue service is "late 2024".

Amtrak wants to be rid of the Acela trainsets asap. There are no parts for them, they are unreliable, they have had to reduce the number of sets running just to keep spare parts and spare cars around in case one of the ones in service breaks down. The last thing they want to do is prolong their usage any longer than necessary. Someone is working on getting money back from Alstom for all the losses stemming from delayed/cancelled trains etc.

The day can't come soon enough when these can finally run in revenue service.
Is there a phase of testing in between what we have now (occasional night time test runs and a sporadic equipment move here and there) and the start of revenue service? Somehow I envisioned multiple sets running up and down the Corridor doing qualification runs, testing out the scheduled running times, etc.
They're probably enforcing some safety blockage and track separation on these runs, limiting them in traffic.
  by lensovet
 
ChesterValley wrote: Fri Jun 07, 2024 9:53 am I'm not sure if this is the right thread for it, but do you folks think that once the Avelia's are approved for revenue service that the ticket prices for the new trains will go up, down or stay the same? I know they are adding one more car to the trains for a 30% increase in seats per train and are ordering more train sets than the existing Acela Fleet which I assume would translate to additional trains running. But would the additional supply so to speak be offset by the demand for the shiny new trains then stabilize? Is this going to add pressure to or remove pressure from the NER depending on the price or are those different enough clienteles?
Amtrak has dynamic pricing based on number of available seats, just like airlines. I don't expect them to do anything different for when these trains enter service, especially since early on there will be a mix of legacy and new sets. Market dynamics will set the prices.
  by 8th Notch
 
Matt Johnson wrote: Sat Jun 08, 2024 8:55 pm
lensovet wrote: Thu Jun 06, 2024 9:09 pm
The current ETA on revenue service is "late 2024".

Amtrak wants to be rid of the Acela trainsets asap. There are no parts for them, they are unreliable, they have had to reduce the number of sets running just to keep spare parts and spare cars around in case one of the ones in service breaks down. The last thing they want to do is prolong their usage any longer than necessary. Someone is working on getting money back from Alstom for all the losses stemming from delayed/cancelled trains etc.

The day can't come soon enough when these can finally run in revenue service.
Is there a phase of testing in between what we have now (occasional night time test runs and a sporadic equipment move here and there) and the start of revenue service? Somehow I envisioned multiple sets running up and down the Corridor doing qualification runs, testing out the scheduled running times, etc.
The sets will have to go through burn in testing which usually requires a trip up and down the corridor before being accepted by Amtrak. At this stage some smaller things are being addressed in order to get the Feds to sign off I was told. Crew training has not picked up yet so I would say that we still have a ways to go.
  by JuniusLivonius
 
Wow, test train left early; got a radio surprise. Test train is already at County as of 8:39PM. Westbound #2173, the last westbound Acela on weekdays, needed track 3 so KP2022 was just told to go to track 1.

Weird... normally they try to get #2173 clear of the testing area completely before the testing rounds begin. A few months ago I think they used to start testing ~20 minutes earlier and just shift #2173 at Lincoln onto the "wrong rail" down track 2. It seemed to me that a big part of the reason of starting testing around 9PM was to not occupy track 3 while revenue Acelas were operating, because they have the most speed and time to lose by running on track 4.

8:45:18PM - #2173 announced departure from Metropark (2 minutes late)
There was a little drama about moving KP2022 out of the way in time, I'm not sure what happened.

8:50:45PM - #2173 shifting from 3 to 2 "get out of my way" - so I take it KP2022 wasn't able to move at all - oops!
  by JuniusLivonius
 
KP2022 was out again tonight. No visual, hence I'm late; only heard on radio so I don't know if it was actually Avelia.

I'm thinking yesterday was a Charger test. Sometimes the test crew operates a Charger then goes back to running an Avelia Liberty the next day.
  by Gilbert B Norman
 
Let us hope that some of these Avelia sets are in revenue service by next January.

If Joe is to be defeated (we don't talk about that kind of stuff around here), wouldn't it be just great if Amtrak could participate in an Avelia "farewell to Washington" trip for Joe.

Hopefully, the Secret Service, now protecting a Former President, and Amtrak could "go along". Such a set, comprised of a Diesel locomotive hauled Avelia, could stop at Baltimore, Philly, then doubling back to Wilmington, for possible rallies at each station.
  by jp1822
 
I've heard there's over 120 some items to be rectified and that's even with some of the latter train sets released. Some of the earlier train sets will have to be returned to Alstom and endure even more re-work and re-tooling. Or will the early train sets just be scrapped and used for parts altogether? Such a REALLY sad debate and site to see these units still parked around the NEC.
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