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west point wrote: ↑Tue Jan 25, 2022 10:48 pm According to a document read in the past. Amtrak considers the CAT from PHL - Harrisburg to be the most deteriorated of any of the CAT. That includes overhead. There were several projects planned with the funds just passed. See to remember all were in SEPTA service area. Power for the west CAT past the At Glenn 169Kv transmission line is about at present service. That may be reason some Keystones end up with diesels if there are power problems? Cannot remember for sure but the high voltage to the power station transformer was only 3 - 4 times that of the original CAT power of 11Kv. That would make it as I remember it was 44Kv high voltage???

If that is still true, then Acelas to HAR will need improvements to CAT and available power delivered.

IIRC, that is the oldest CAT on the system, some is over 100 years old now.

Mr. Scratchy, the New Haven RR's cat predates that on the PRR. The original test section was between Darien and Rowayton and has a distinct style of poles to it.

Gilbert B Norman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:51 am Mr. Scratchy, the New Haven RR's cat predates that on the PRR. The original test section was between Darien and Rowayton and has a distinct style of poles to it.

Oh, Duh, forgot about New Haven, I meant oldest on the Ex PRR. I think that's from 1915.
(I seem to recall some stand alone electrification projects, before the main line)

Should the line west of HAR be electrified? Absolutely, and it should be done so with the intention of finishing the job out to the Windy City.

Will the line west of HAR be electrified? Unlikely, at least for the next few decades. The state of PA would never come up with the money to do it; any electrification (and, for that matter, straightening of ROW) would have to be done as part of a massive national HSR project (aka, at the federal level).

As America seemingly pivots towards rail transit again in the coming decades, it remains to be seen if such a project is pie-in-the-sky, or if it has some weight to it.

FWIW the state of PA intends to up the speed limit on the Keystone Corridor to 125 MPH, along with bringing everything from ZOO to PAO up to 90 mph.

PS. Simple math states that a train traveling from Philadelphia to Chicago (a distance of roughly 900 miles) at 225 mph would reach its destination in about 4 hours, without stopping. I'd take that over a plane any day (though I am already a semi-regular 43/29 rider).

Lets get back to the Acela IIs. Anyone know if any more sets have come in?

STrRedWolf wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:15 pm Lets get back to the Acela IIs. Anyone know if any more sets have come in?

Still two sets sitting in Penn Coach Yard as of this morning.

scratchyX1 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:59 am

Gilbert B Norman wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 10:51 am Mr. Scratchy, the New Haven RR's cat predates that on the PRR. The original test section was between Darien and Rowayton and has a distinct style of poles to it.

Oh, Duh, forgot about New Haven, I meant oldest on the Ex PRR. I think that's from 1915.
(I seem to recall some stand alone electrification projects, before the main line)

Over the last 15 years, the Metro North New Haven Line has been upgraded to constant tension wire.

pbj123 wrote: ↑Mon Jan 31, 2022 5:29 pm Over the last 15 years, the Metro North New Haven Line has been upgraded to constant tension wire.

Correct, Mr. PBJ. but the original NYNH&H poles remain in place.

mcgrath618 wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 3:50 pm

STrRedWolf wrote: ↑Wed Jan 26, 2022 2:15 pm Lets get back to the Acela IIs. Anyone know if any more sets have come in?

Still two sets sitting in Penn Coach Yard as of this morning.

Two were there this evening as well

A fresh photo from one of the rail groups I'm in off of Telegram:



To which I joked: If you open that front hatch up on the train on the left, you'll see it has teeth big enough to eat Volkswagens.

RW - Good comparison picture of both Acela trainsets cab units at NHV - with their red marker lights on...
With your thought about the Acela Two's "nose aparatus" that is why I call them **GATORS**
Makes me again think of the classic 1956 song "See You Later, Alligator (After 'While, Crocodile)"
(Bill Haley and the Comets)...MACTRAXX

Mr. MACTRAXX; for the benefit of our youngsters around here:

https://youtu.be/1Hb66FH9AzI

MACTRAXX wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:54 pm RW - Good comparison picture of both Acela trainsets cab units at NHV - with their red marker lights on...
With your thought about the Acela Two's "nose aparatus" that is why I call them **GATORS**
Makes me again think of the classic 1956 song "See You Later, Alligator (After 'While, Crocodile)"
(Bill Haley and the Comets)...MACTRAXX

I'm more thinking of the worms in Dune... Nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom.

STrRedWolf wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:11 pm

MACTRAXX wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:54 pm RW - Good comparison picture of both Acela trainsets cab units at NHV - with their red marker lights on...
With your thought about the Acela Two's "nose aparatus" that is why I call them **GATORS**
Makes me again think of the classic 1956 song "See You Later, Alligator (After 'While, Crocodile)"
(Bill Haley and the Comets)...MACTRAXX

I'm more thinking of the worms in Dune... Nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom nom.

Yeah, and paint scheme inspired by sting playing
Feyd-Rautha.

Seeing them side-by-side confirms that I prefer the way the Acela I looks over Acela II.