Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Guilford Rail System changed its name to Pan Am Railways in 2006. Discussion relating to the current operations of the Boston & Maine, the Maine Central, and the Springfield Terminal railroads (as well as the Delaware & Hudson while it was under Guilford control until 1988). Official site can be found here: PANAMRAILWAYS.COM.

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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Post by bostontrainguy » Sun Aug 12, 2018 7:36 am

CN9634 wrote: . . . and open up the tunnel.
Haven't heard a thing about this lately. Anyone heard anything new?

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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Post by GU1001 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 9:57 am

The following excerpt from the latest state rail plan, pg 107, just has a general reference to increasing clearance on the route:
Patriot Corridor Double Stack Clearance Study – An initiative between MassDOT, Pan Am and Norfolk Southern to improve the Patriot Corridor. The Patriot Corridor runs between Albany, New York
and Ayer, Massachusetts on the Pan Am Southern Rail line. The Patriot Corridor Double Stack Clearance Study has been federally funded and will be completed through the FY 2018-2022 CIP.

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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Post by johnpbarlow » Sun Aug 12, 2018 12:14 pm

Now that the new GMX warehouse on the west side of Hill Yard is in use, won’t the old warehouse be demolished to make room for additional container/chassis storage? Also where do the loaded Eimskips get drayed to when the containers are taken off the spine cars? Thanks.

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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Post by gokeefe » Sun Aug 12, 2018 2:45 pm

bostontrainguy wrote:
CN9634 wrote: . . . and open up the tunnel.
Haven't heard a thing about this lately. Anyone heard anything new?
Last I read (a year or two ago) it was in engineering and design. Partly funded by MassDOT if I recall correctly.
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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Post by CN9634 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:01 pm

johnpbarlow wrote:Now that the new GMX warehouse on the west side of Hill Yard is in use, won’t the old warehouse be demolished to make room for additional container/chassis storage? Also where do the loaded Eimskips get drayed to when the containers are taken off the spine cars? Thanks.
New warehouse is not GMX or Tighe... it is the former tenant on their own managed by a 3rd party.

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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Post by neman2 » Sun Aug 12, 2018 4:15 pm

Haven't heard a thing about this lately. Anyone heard anything new?[/quote]

Last I read (a year or two ago) it was in engineering and design. Partly funded by MassDOT if I recall correctly.[/quote]

I'm drifting off topic here but to give you an idea of how these things happen the Route 2 Concord Rotary cluster**** that I drive through frequently has been under engineering and design for about 30 years now.

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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Post by newpylong » Sun Aug 12, 2018 8:05 pm

CN9634 wrote:
johnpbarlow wrote:Now that the new GMX warehouse on the west side of Hill Yard is in use, won’t the old warehouse be demolished to make room for additional container/chassis storage? Also where do the loaded Eimskips get drayed to when the containers are taken off the spine cars? Thanks.
New warehouse is not GMX or Tighe... it is the former tenant on their own managed by a 3rd party.
Splitting hairs considering Fink called it a new GMX warehouse.

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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Post by johnpbarlow » Mon Aug 13, 2018 3:21 am

I don't know the exact date Google Maps posted this aerial photo (I'm guessing April or so of 2018 given how little tree foliage there is), but whatever the owner/operator of the new warehouse is, it's the big white building in the middle of this capture adjacent to the A Duie Pyle warehouse that has two tracks entering it at the southeast corner, correct? And it's the building marked Tighe and Norfolk Southern on the east side of the yard that is to be demolished to make way for more container storage, no?

Looks like there are a number of blue Eimskip containers parked at the old warehouse perhaps empties waiting to return to Poland Springs?

Operational question: when 22K triples its consist into Hill Yard, will the cut of containers that isn't adjacent to the unload/load pad need to be re-positioned or can the Piggypackers reach over an empty well car to access the 3rd cut? I'm guessing the Piggypackers can't reach that far and the 3rd cut needs to be swapped with one of the other two cuts by a yard local, correct?
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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Post by QB 52.32 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 7:11 am

That's correct, Mr. Barlow.

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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Post by CN9634 » Mon Aug 13, 2018 9:06 pm

newpylong wrote:Splitting hairs considering Fink called it a new GMX warehouse.
Fink isn't the one leasing the warehouse.
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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Post by johnpbarlow » Thu Aug 16, 2018 5:48 am

Apparently NS is staging 3-4 22K and 28N trains on the Southern Tier for delivery to Pan Am Southern. There's a 28N parked at Binghamton, another 28N parked at Hornell, a 22K parked at Horseheads, and a 22K recently arrived at Binghamton tied down with an unspecified outbound crew OD time. And apparently NS is unable to establish when some of these parked trains can be delivered to PAS. Why is PAS unable to accept these trains - is the Mechanicville auto/IM terminal clogged or is there a problem running these trains on D3? Is this a consequence of the impact of the Farley and Royalston derailments from which PAS is still trying to recover? Tie replacement around Erving? Pan AM crew shortages? All of the above?
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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Post by newpylong » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:35 am

Sadly still recovering from the derailments and wash outs

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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Post by atholrail » Thu Aug 16, 2018 8:47 pm

Wash-outs and derailments haven't helped that's for sure, but I believe Ayer is a big part of the problem.

San-Vel holds around 44? cars, business seems up big here and the crews seem to be having difficulty keeping up. Not just train crews, but the employees working the auto yard.

The Hill also is constantly logjammed. Water business is up, and the 22K's and 23K's are usually daily monsters.
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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Post by johnpbarlow » Fri Aug 17, 2018 4:51 am

So the April 22, 2018 Google Earth aerial photography of Sanvel and Ford auto facilities at Ayer shows something interesting: the old Ford facility is chock full of new autos (and a handful of racks). Given there are no unload ramps shown in the Ford yard, I'm guessing the autos are unloaded at Sanvel and driven across Willow Rd to be stored. I have no idea if Ford yard is still full as of this summer but I'll check. Update: on the Pan Am Railfans Facebook page, a poster says the cars shown at the Ford facility are recalled VWs being staged for shipping by truck to somewhere.

I wonder if auto makers are building too many cars right now?
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Re: Pan Am Southern / Patriot Corridor Discussion

Post by Lincoln78 » Sun Aug 19, 2018 7:22 am

Lots of parked trains in Middlesex county and a little bit of motion. Saturday 8/18 afternoon I randomly went from Tewksbury to past Hill Yard. Freight parked on the passing siding under 495 around 3:00 - don't remember seeing it earlier. There was a westbound (former CSX?) parked on the siding east of Forge Village, and and westbound NS-powered autorack parked at the Willows. Sat at Ayer for a while in the rain and watched a former CSX go back and forth in the yard (and two on-time MBTAs). There was a line of mixed freight cars parked on the north siding headed west. The former CSX retreated south and was replaced by a NS-powered container train (Hunt) that slowly proceeded westbound but stopped at the 2A bridge. I drove to the next crossing (Shirley line) and was disappointed when it didn't move for about half an hour. Headed home and discovered that the Willows siding was empty. Maybe I need to buy a scanner...

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