Palm Loch sleeper at Hamburg cut up, PRR cab in E.A.

BSOR Patarak · Post by **BSOR Patarak** » Sat Jan 28, 2006 11:44 am

The Palm Loch Amtrak Sleeper that has been stored at Hamburg on the BSOR is scheduled to be cut up for scrap. It has long been sitting near the Hamburg Train Station. It has been badly vandalized and recently set on fire. The Village requested that something be done about it.

So, sometime after the 30th of Jan it is scheduled to be cut up. This was an ex Santa Fe car wasn't it? Seemed to have been in pretty good shape until recently.

Pat Connors
BSOR

SimTrains · Post by **SimTrains** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 5:54 am

Pitty, maybe 10 years ago it might have had a chance, but it seems that every time I saw it, it just got worse and worse. I assume it was owned by the WNYRHS, this site just shows it as being a "private owner":

http://www.trainweb.org/amtrakpix/locos ... 2754A.html

Howiew · Post by **Howiew** » Sun Jan 29, 2006 2:23 pm

That car is not owned by the WNYRHS, at least according to their web site.

smph50 · Post by **smph50** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 6:36 am

Hi Guys! The "Palm Loch" was never one of ours nor the Caboose. I believe they were both owned by the same person who moved the caboose to East Aurora now as an Ice Cream Stand in 1998? None of its pieces and parts would fit any of our fleet so we had no interest in it.

caboose9 · Post by **caboose9** » Wed Feb 01, 2006 10:02 am

smph50 said, "... moved the caboose to East Aurora as an Ice Cream Stand in 1998?"

Hi,

I assume that's East Aurora, NY.

Does anyone know what caboose it is?

I list a PC #?/CR #?, steel, style?, caboose at BSOR, Union & Scott Sts., Hamburg, NY. I suspect this is the one that moved.

I list 6 WNYRHS cabooses at this location: DL&W 906, ERIE C216, LV 95050, NKP 412, NYC 19602, & VGN 306.

Thanks, Roger

BSOR Patarak · Post by **BSOR Patarak** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 1:48 pm

The Palm Loch and caboose in question (before it was moved) belonged to Winter's Railroad Services (not the Rigging group). This is the same Winter's that owned all of the S2's at North Collins.

The Palm Loch is now complete scrap. It was shredded into pieces and is being loaded into containers to be processed. Nothing recognizable is left of it, and all debris should be picked up this coming week.

caboose9 · Post by **caboose9** » Sun Feb 05, 2006 5:23 pm

BSOR Patarak said, "The Palm Loch and caboose in question (before it was moved) belonged to Winter's Railroad Services (not the Rigging group)."

Hi,

Does anyone know what caboose Winter's RR Services had and where it went?

Was this the Winter's car: PC #?/CR #?, steel, style?, caboose at BSOR, Union & Scott Sts., Hamburg, NY?

Thanks, Roger

smph50 · Post by **smph50** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:17 am

Hi Roger! Took a little digging to find the particulars but here you go:
ex. PRR - numbers unknown, Conrail 19190R - N-5, All Steel, Center Cupola, Arch Bar Trucks. This photo is from when the caboose was still in Hamburg, NY. 1997. The inside was gutted on site and the guys doing the work were worried it wouldn't make the 7 mile trip to East Aurora, NY. because they removed everything! A few cross braced 2x4's helped stiffen things up.

Sincerely,

BR&P · Post by **BR&P** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 7:27 am

Nice photo Scott! However, those are not arch bar trucks in the picture - did they change trucks when they moved it?

smph50 · Post by **smph50** » Mon Feb 06, 2006 11:37 pm

Good eye! How about Barrett-Whitehead 2A-F2 Caboose Trucks? Cast side frames and elliptical springs. As far as I know the trucks went with the caboose to East Aurora. I've got eyes out looking for it now. Can't take credit for the photo, give it to Rich Siller!

MarkT · Post by **MarkT** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:56 am

smph50 wrote: moved the caboose to East Aurora now as an Ice Cream Stand in 1998?

Where is there an ice cream caboose in EA? You sure this isn't the ice cream caboose that's in West Seneca on Union Road?

caboose9 · Post by **caboose9** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 2:58 pm

MarkT said,"Are you sure this isn't the ice cream caboose that's in West Seneca on Union Road?"

Hi Mark,

The caboose in West Seneca is reported as ex-CN.

Is it a cupola van?

Roger

caboose9 · Post by **caboose9** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 3:05 pm

smph50 said, "PRR numbers unknown, Conrail 19190R - N-5, steel, center cupola."

Thanks for the photo and the information!

It's ex-PRR 477220 built 9/18.

Roger

smph50 · Post by **smph50** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 1:12 pm

Hi Roger and All! Found the Caboose! It is on the corner of Oakwood Street and Elm Street in "Downtown" East Aurora. Give this "local live" site a minute to load. If it does not "birds eye" right away, click on the intersection.

http://local.live.com/?v=2&sp=aN.42.765 ... %20Caboose

caboose9 · Post by **caboose9** » Tue Feb 14, 2006 2:59 pm

smph50 said, "Found the caboose on the corner of Oakwood and Elm Street in East Aurora."

Nice! Thanks, Roger