What's Next for MNRR EoH Locomotive Fleet (Was: New Metro North locos)

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Re: New Metro North locos

Post by UpperHarlemLine4ever » Mon Oct 08, 2018 3:08 pm

So, has a contract been awarded for MN, LIRR & Amtrak locos yet? Lots of agencies are ordering Siemens Chargers.

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Re: New Metro North locos

Post by Backshophoss » Mon Oct 08, 2018 5:59 pm

Believe the RFP is still up,no contract award yet,still in design phase due to weight issues on the dual mode model. :wink:
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Re: New Metro North locos

Post by deandremouse » Wed Oct 10, 2018 1:59 pm

Contract probably won’t be awarded till January from what I’ve been hearing
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Re: New Metro North locos

Post by blockline4180 » Thu Oct 11, 2018 11:46 am

So is there a timeline for when the new locomotives might enter service? 2020, 2022, when?

Also, wonder if any other commuter railroad may purchase them when they do get retired?? I know this is probably a better conversation for years down the road!
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Re: New Metro North locos

Post by DutchRailnut » Thu Oct 11, 2018 4:11 pm

no and don't expect an order till all 3 partners get to agreement , LIRR/Amtrak/Metro North as under PRII they need to be a standard set for that type.
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Re: New Metro North locos

Post by grobtech » Thu Oct 11, 2018 7:30 pm

Metro North's engines are being purchased under the 2015-2019 Capital Program. That means approximately 2022 delivery since an award hasn't been awarded and may be another year out. If LIRR pursues this for the 2020-2024 Capital Program, they could have units built at the end of the MNR run, since the manufacturer would still be tooled up for production. The DE's/DM's still have a ways to go. All speculation of course...

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Re: New Metro North locos

Post by Steamboat Willie » Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:01 pm

Some word going around that MN may be borrowing some P40's from Amtrak.

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Re: New Metro North locos

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Fri Oct 19, 2018 6:46 am

The MNR P32AC-DM units still work well even though they are aging. I didn’t hear anything officially about MNR borrowing P40s from Amtrak. Once I see it, then I won’t be overly surprised. MNR has used leased Amtrak P40s for branchline service during the time when the last of the FL9s were being retired and right before the BL20s entered revenue service.

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Re: New Metro North locos

Post by DutchRailnut » Fri Oct 19, 2018 7:03 am

the 8 P40's that MN used were surplus units that CDOT leased and then purchased, currently Amtrak has no surplus Locomotives.
only thing available is stripped P40's and 3 wreck damaged P42's being sold for scrap.
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Re: New Metro North locos

Post by ConstanceR46 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 11:42 am

I don't really see why MN would borrow P40s as they're pure diesel and AFAIK need hatches to run into GCT, and i wouldn't say they're too hard of Branch power especially when they have a perfectly good F10 (If push came to shove) lying around.

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Re: New Metro North locos

Post by DutchRailnut » Fri Oct 19, 2018 12:19 pm

perfectly good ?? ehh no after 12 years no maintenance and several borrowed parts , that ship sailed long ago.
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Re: New Metro North locos

Post by DutchRailnut » Fri Oct 19, 2018 4:44 pm

just got proven wrong , but for the price MN could have bought the 6 FL-9m's and fixed them .
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and all of that because to many BL20gh's got send out for re- motoring ?? go figure.
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Re: New Metro North locos

Post by ATK » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:07 pm

DutchRailnut wrote:just got proven wrong , but for the price MN could have bought the 6 FL-9m's and fixed them.
Are you suggesting that MNR could have rehabbed 6 FL9's AND installed ACSES on those same locomotives for under $700,000?!?!

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Re: New Metro North locos

Post by ConstanceR46 » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:18 pm

Yeah that sounds a bit like a pipe dream especially considering they were in a similar condition to 413 and 2012.

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Re: New Metro North locos

Post by DutchRailnut » Fri Oct 19, 2018 8:20 pm

6 loco's at $70 000 average is 420 000 leaving 350 000 to play with, but then they would own them, and not have nothing to show for that money after lease expires on P42's

and no the 6 CDOT units were not in same condition as 413 and 2012 as CDOT units had a ground up rebuild in 1996 .
and New HEP units in 2001.
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