Hey Dutch,
Information I'm collating between reading Sam Berliners website on big hooks and Industrial Hoist builders information from John Taubeneck has:
From Berliner: According to notes in my own handwriting on the flyer, Bill Edson of NYC Equipment or Paul Brustman of NYC Cranes told me that there were two 2x250-ton tunnel cranes, X45 and X99, and they came on the road circa 1935 or 36 and one (or both) was (were) shipped to Russia during WWII on a ship that sank at sea on the Murmansk Run (deep-dive salvage, anyone?).
Jeff Lubchansky advises that there was a second unit that tipped over in Sunnyside Yard and was cut up on the spot (this was Amtrak 16000) ; that certainly differs from the account of Edson and Brustman, who ran X45 and X99. I wonder if X99 went down and a replacement was fabricated and later bought the farm?
As such: here is what I have discerned:
There were three D.E.W:
- Amtrak 16000 is ex-PRR 490797.
- NYC X45 was GCT 1 "Wellington", with X45 to become PC #50021 in 1968, Conrail #50021 in 1976 and MN 001 unknown date. It was shipped to Danbury Museum in Connecticut on 7/14/1998 and repainted into GCT 1 livery
- CUT 99 never changed hands.
That would mean that NYC X45 was never shipped to Russia and lost, as it seen after WW2 in New York area in various liveries and sits in Danbury. Therefore, X99 is the wrecker lost at sea.
Here's my updated page on the subject:
http://members.trainweb.com/bedt/indloco/amtk16000.html
Now, I can say this, being a historian for Industrial & Offline Terminal Railroads of New York: if any of these cranes was lost off a carfloat in New York Harbor, it would have had to have been raised to prevent ship obstruction. Several references I have, state the Harbor and Hudson & East Rivers must be kept clear of underwater obstructions. In the past numerous carfloats that have lost their freight cars into the drink, have had those freight cars raised. The trucks are usually left in the mud however. Open loads like hoppers of coal that have gone over, the car is raised with no attempt to recover the coal. If you reference current harbor charts, the derelicts and sunken vessels are all located around the tidal flats scrapping yards in New Jersey & Staten Island, with a few off the coast in deeper water, but no submerged obstructions are seen in the shallower waters of Harbor itself.
All the best,
Phil
historian of: Industrial / Offline Terminal Railroad's of Brooklyn, Queens, Staten Island, Bronx & Manhattan
http://www.freightrrofnyc.info