Fan Railer wrote:Still ironing out software bugs. Something with the doors not behaving.lovely... more computer controlled garbage.... and i am an IT guy
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A train of cars with bold diagonal blue stripes (Prince Andrew style?) slid east through Wantagh about 11:20 a.m. today, June 20, 2019.
160000 out of ∞.By comparison, it only took two months for the first M-1s to enter service. The first 16 rolled out of the Red Lion Road assembly plant October '68, already in service by late December.
Since my friend continues to chain smoke nonstop, she is probably an Alco.
Yes the M-1's were rushed into service without sufficient testing and promptly started breaking down. Huge numbers of them were sidelined for many months in 1969-70 to do repairs and modifications to their propulsion systems. I think LIRR/MTA would prefer not to repeat that debacle from the Summer of 1970 where due to shortage of rolling stock, a half dozen trains were cancelled every rush hour for the whole summer.
That was 1968, this is 2019. We've gone over this PLENTY of times already...
There has to be a happy medium between 2 months (probably not enough) to over a year for the M9s. Either Kawasaki needs to get its stuff together or these cars will be needing overhauls before we see them in revenue service.
Believe there's pressure on the MTA/LIRR/Kawasaki to "get this right the first time" on the M-9 debut to service.
This is most likely commimg from Albany,and/or the Governor's office.
NO matter what happens,there will be "teething"problems that will show up on in service M-9's
The more bugs caught in testing,the less chance of an in service failure with passengers on board!!!
Then Goc Rockerfeller was putting pressure on PC and LIRR to get the M-1's on line,LIRR's failures got more press then the M-1
"crap outs" were on the PC commuter lines.
Not too long ago. Metrolink (SCAX) had a public debut of EMD's F-125,that did not go well,the on board computers failed enroute.
Both SCAX and EMD got "egged" in the press on the F-125 failed debut.
This is most likely commimg from Albany,and/or the Governor's office.
NO matter what happens,there will be "teething"problems that will show up on in service M-9's
The more bugs caught in testing,the less chance of an in service failure with passengers on board!!!
Then Goc Rockerfeller was putting pressure on PC and LIRR to get the M-1's on line,LIRR's failures got more press then the M-1
"crap outs" were on the PC commuter lines.
Not too long ago. Metrolink (SCAX) had a public debut of EMD's F-125,that did not go well,the on board computers failed enroute.
Both SCAX and EMD got "egged" in the press on the F-125 failed debut.
The Land of Enchantment is not Flyover country!
Obviously a complicated piece of machinery, a year of bugs seems to be a quality control issue.....
Who's paying the LIRR salaries of all the people doing the testing?
Who's paying the LIRR salaries of all the people doing the testing?
]The R179s had the pilot unit (prototype) in 2015, also behind schedule. The R46s (then the most complex subway cars built outside of WMATA or BART) in the 1970s were some two/three years late (last car of 754 delivered December 1978, full fleet in service in 1979).
Are the technicians doing the testing all LIRR employees or are Kawasaki engineers on the property too to oversee delivery/acceptance?
Are the technicians doing the testing all LIRR employees or are Kawasaki engineers on the property too to oversee delivery/acceptance?
Since my friend continues to chain smoke nonstop, she is probably an Alco.
geico wrote: ↑Sat Jun 22, 2019 7:21 am Obviously a complicated piece of machinery, a year of bugs seems to be a quality control issue.....Kawasaki employees perform the testing under LIRR supervision. LIRR crews run the train. So any delays are at a lost to Kawasaki because in the end they are paying for all of it.
Who's paying the LIRR salaries of all the people doing the testing?
When SEPTA got their Silverliner V’s Rotem ended up buying them an ALP-44 for damages!
trainspot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 9:34 am When SEPTA got their Silverliner V’s Rotem ended up buying them an ALP-44 for damages!Trainspot (TD): ALP44 2308 was a "gift" from Alstom back in 1995 for the long delay of the Norristown High
Speed Line N5 cars - and was just retired by SEPTA in the past year. The Rotem Silverliner Five cars are only
about eight years old (2012) - I believe Rotem had to pay SEPTA for the defects sidelining these cars...
MACTRAXX
EXPRESS TRAIN TO NEW YORK PENN STATION-NO JAMAICA ON THIS TRAIN-PLEASE STAND CLEAR OF THE CLOSING TRAIN DOORS
MACTRAXX wrote: ↑Sun Jun 23, 2019 2:28 pm [quote=trainspot post_id=<a href="tel:1512007">1512007</a> time=<a href="tel:1561300495">1561300495</a> user_id=503]Trainspot (TD): ALP44 2308 was a "gift" from Alstom back in 1995 for the long delay of the Norristown High
When SEPTA got their Silverliner V’s Rotem ended up buying them an ALP-44 for damages!
Speed Line N5 cars - and was just retired by SEPTA in the past year. The Rotem Silverliner Five cars are only
about eight years old (2012) - I believe Rotem had to pay SEPTA for the defects sidelining these cars...
MACTRAXX
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Thanks for the correction MACTRAXX!