Any truth to WNY&P 6-axle Alcos leaving?

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Re: Any truth to WNY&P 6-axle Alcos leaving?

Post by BR&P » Mon May 13, 2019 7:12 pm

Reminds me of what you read in the news: "According to a knowledgeable source who declined to be identified because he was not authorized to speak to the media....."

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Re: Any truth to WNY&P 6-axle Alcos leaving?

Post by jurtz » Wed May 15, 2019 10:17 am

A confirmation from the Trains news wire. You will need to be a Trains subscriber to read the article. But it basically says this summer will be the last for the 6 axle Alcos, with the four axle Alcos remaining in service. The article cites "A source close to the railroad".

http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/20 ... orks-units

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Re: Any truth to WNY&P 6-axle Alcos leaving?

Post by thebigham » Wed May 15, 2019 12:14 pm

http://trn.trains.com/news/news-wire/20 ... SCWlnOMEbU" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Summer 2019 likely to be the last for short line's six-axle Montreal Locomotive Works units
By Stephan M. Koenig | May 15, 2019

ERIE, Pa. — Famed Alco railroad Western New York & Pennsylvania will soon replace its venerable six-axle Alco diesel-electric locomotives with more modern equipment.

A source close to the railroad tells Trains this week that Summer 2019 will likely be the last for the larger Montreal Locomotive Works diesels — built in Canada, but patterned after American Locomotive Co. designs.

The railroad will be taking delivery of eight former CSX Transportation AC46CW locomotives to replace them in June. Six of the CSX locomotives will be in service while two will serve as parts supplies for the active units....
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Re: Any truth to WNY&P 6-axle Alcos leaving?

Post by nessman » Wed May 15, 2019 10:58 pm

Interesting... they do have a lot of power on the WNYP... how much traffic are they pulling nowadays?

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Re: Any truth to WNY&P 6-axle Alcos leaving?

Post by thebigham » Fri May 17, 2019 10:24 am

Posted on facebook an hour ago:

"Ol-1 southbound by Portville an hour ago with 630, 643, 685, 638 and 637 in that order heading to Driftwood for stone loads."

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Re: Any truth to WNY&P 6-axle Alcos leaving?

Post by XC Tower » Tue May 21, 2019 1:33 pm

Has the WNYP cited any reasons for the choice of the former CSX GE AC46CW's to replace their ALCO's? Would the ALCO-GE relationship of the past come into play? Years ago, in Corry, PA, I recall talking
with an WYNP engineer in one these ALCO six-axles which was stopped for some reason, who told me that the ALCO's and GE locomotives had many of the same characteristics.....
Thanks in advance.


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Re: Any truth to WNY&P 6-axle Alcos leaving?

Post by lvrr325 » Wed May 22, 2019 9:13 am

There is no relation.

There is a glut of used GEs on the market and GE has decided to support the secondary market rather than shun it as it has in the past, making their engines attractive for use by regional roads. See Pan Am Railways. WNY&P can probably reduce the number of units needed to run trains and at the same time if they blow one up or have some other catastrophic failure there's 150 more where it came from to replace it.

What that means for the Alcos, who knows, there's very little secondary market for the six axle units. I would expect the 4-axle units to remain as there's no real direct replacement for them.

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Re: Any truth to WNY&P 6-axle Alcos leaving?

Post by XC Tower » Thu May 23, 2019 10:42 am

Thank you for the info on the GE's....Speaking of a glut of them, there are more behind the plant here in Erie than I ever recall seeing!....The East Erie Commercial's yard is nearly full of CSX, UP, and NS units!....I know that GE is rebuilding so for the UP and NS, but there seems like too many for that....
Question regarding WNYP's "new" old GE's: Could GE supporting the purchase and use of their older units? Is there any technical support offered to perspective purchasers?


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Re: Any truth to WNY&P 6-axle Alcos leaving?

Post by thebigham » Tue May 28, 2019 6:39 pm

Keith McHenry on Facebook:

The RRPX 41 (M636), which was leased by WNY&P was south by CP-Pine on the Norfolk Southern Buffalo Line on train H57 at 6:43 p.m. this evening. It’s currently enroute to Northumberland yard where it’ll be picked up and moved to it’s new home on the Delaware–Lackawanna Railroad in Scranton, PA.

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Re: Any truth to WNY&P 6-axle Alcos leaving?

Post by nydepot » Tue May 28, 2019 7:00 pm

Funny, that rumor is true too.

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Re: Any truth to WNY&P 6-axle Alcos leaving?

Post by S1f3432 » Sat Jun 22, 2019 6:26 pm

Have any of the replacements arrived yet?

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Re: Any truth to WNY&P 6-axle Alcos leaving?

Post by Leo_Ames » Sun Jun 23, 2019 1:11 am

XC Tower wrote:
Thu May 23, 2019 10:42 am
Thank you for the info on the GE's....Speaking of a glut of them, there are more behind the plant here in Erie than I ever recall seeing!....The East Erie Commercial's yard is nearly full of CSX, UP, and NS units!....I know that GE is rebuilding so for the UP and NS, but there seems like too many for that....
Question regarding WNYP's "new" old GE's: Could GE supporting the purchase and use of their older units? Is there any technical support offered to perspective purchasers?


XC
GE has decided to provide ongoing product support for Dash 8's, unlike past practices. They're actively refurbishing them and selling or leasing them out to regionals and shortlines, labeling them as GE Certified after going through a refurbishment and series of checks. This pool of power is where those sales candidates come from, while others are being used as parts sources to support GE customers still running Dash 8's.

This transaction though is through Progress Rail. They bought all of the former CSX fleet of AC6000CW's (minus the prototypes that were rebuilt basically to AC4400CW standards) back in 2018 when CSX was busy trimming their fleet size. But I believe parts remain available through GE. These were basically rebuilt to Evolution series specifications with their electrical system and power plant, so I wouldn't think there would be issues at this time for support.

More of concern I suspect is their condition. Once CSX decided they didn't have a need for a small pool of 6,000 horsepower locomotives back when diesel prices were extremely high a decade or so ago, these got derated. They then became attractive storage candidates thanks to basically being a ES44AC with extra cylinders to maintain, slightly higher fuel consumption, and some unique parts that had to be stocked by the mechanical department.

At this point, they're suffering from years of deferred maintenance and frequent periods of storage, and are in need of a heavy overhaul. And it doesn't sound like they're likely getting that. These are operable units that had been out on lease recently, and the Trains Newswire article just says they'll be "serviced" by A&M before shipment. Doesn't sound like a major refurbishment to me. I suspect they're being sold essentially "as-is", especially when two parts hulks are also part of the transaction.

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Re: Any truth to WNY&P 6-axle Alcos leaving?

Post by oibu » Fri Jul 12, 2019 10:52 am

Based on that description, the MLWs are in better condition than their alleged "replacements"

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Re: Any truth to WNY&P 6-axle Alcos leaving?

Post by KevinD » Tue Aug 06, 2019 2:15 pm

Fully painted WNYP 6002, still in Arkansas

http://www.rrpicturearchives.net/showPi ... id=5168962

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Re: Any truth to WNY&P 6-axle Alcos leaving?

Post by nydepot » Tue Aug 06, 2019 6:39 pm

Thanks Kevin.

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