Amtrak in Miami (Hialeah, Miami Intermodal Center/Airport)

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Re: Amtrak in Miami (Hialeah, Miami Intermodal Center/Airpor

Post by Rockingham Racer » Sun Feb 24, 2019 4:50 pm

When the new connection at Iris is done--if it already isn't--that will allow Tri-Rail trains to go downtown to the Virgin America station. There would be nothing to prevent Amtrak from doing so as well, but the move back to Hialeah Yard for servicing might be a show-stopper.

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Re: Amtrak in Miami (Hialeah, Miami Intermodal Center/Airpor

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Sun Feb 24, 2019 5:56 pm

That would be even better if everything could terminate in Downtown Miami. That's where many people want to go and it's very close to a lot of the main parts of Miami such as South Beach, Brickell, etc. People who are taking Amtrak to the ship wouldn't have to travel very far, although the Amtrak trains arrive into Miami after many of the ships depart so I'm sure that many people spend the night in Miami before they depart to sea. I haven't seen the new Virgin Central station in Downtown or the right of way leading from Iris to Downtown in person but I think that there is single track on the connection and for Amtrak to utilize the FEC from Iris to Downtown Miami, having double track would be good. Plus, I'm not sure how long the platforms are at the Virgin Central Station. They might not be long enough to handle an Amtrak long distance train.

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Re: Amtrak in Miami (Hialeah, Miami Intermodal Center/Airpor

Post by Rockingham Racer » Mon Feb 25, 2019 7:32 am

Train length was the reason Amtrak couldn't go to MIC at the airport. I thought, though, they were closing a crossing to the north of the platform to accomodate longer trains.

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Re: Amtrak in Miami (Hialeah, Miami Intermodal Center/Airpor

Post by farecard » Mon Feb 25, 2019 11:42 am

Don't hold your breath waiting for either Amtrak->MIC or Tri-rail to downtown.

I'm guessing, but it sounds like Amtrak wants a better deal to move to MIC.
On other users of Miami Central, why would Brightline throw away a competitive advantage over the others?

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Re: Amtrak in Miami (Hialeah, Miami Intermodal Center/Airpor

Post by nomis » Mon Feb 25, 2019 5:14 pm

farecard, There was substantial public money directed towards Brightline for getting a leg of a wye installed at Iris as well as two platforms with level boarding at Downtown for Tri-Rail.
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Re: Amtrak in Miami (Hialeah, Miami Intermodal Center/Airpor

Post by farecard » Mon Feb 25, 2019 6:03 pm

nomis wrote:farecard, There was substantial public money directed towards Brightline for getting a leg of a eye installed at Iris as well as two platforms with level boarding at Downtown for Tri-Rail.
Ahh, I've not figured out the whole confusing story. I've read of Iris here, etc. but they are just names.
I'd love a kml overlay or similar so I could figure out what trackage is where in the area.

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Re: Amtrak in Miami (Hialeah, Miami Intermodal Center/Airpor

Post by JasW » Thu May 02, 2019 12:28 pm

The Iris interlocking is located here: https://goo.gl/maps/e5uzFSHdHM9pifzn6. Seaboard and then CSX owned property for years that would have enabled them to build the northeastern part of a wye with the FEC tracks. CSX conveyed the property to the state DOT in 1990. While it still just shows up as a parking lot on the current Google Maps satellite view, the wye aka "Iris NE Connection" was in fact completed last year, as shown below in an aerial view photo from the county property appraiser (always the best place to get the most current aerial views!). The FEC already upgraded the southwestern wye at the Little River connection with its main a few years back. So infrastructure-wise, nothing currently prevents Tri-Rail -- or Amtrak -- from pulling right into the Brightline, um, Virgin MiamiCentral station.
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Re: Amtrak in Miami (Hialeah, Miami Intermodal Center/Airpor

Post by Gilbert B Norman » Thu May 02, 2019 2:15 pm

On my January trip "down below" (huh?! that was my Father's term saying he was in Florida), I noted Tri-Rail signage in place at Miami Central (Brightline's). I also noted the absence of any Amtrak signage at Miami Intermodal (Metro Orange and Tri-Rail), and I recall seeing some on prior trips.

Even though Amtrak has the physical means to access either terminal, it's not moving anywhere. Passenger convenience "trumping" (as in Bridge and not POTUS45), operational efficiency? Not with this day and age Amtrak.

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Re: Amtrak in Miami (Hialeah, Miami Intermodal Center/Airpor

Post by JasW » Fri May 03, 2019 6:21 am

It's a shame that the current Amtrak station and the Tri-Rail/Metrorail Transfer station are only a quarter-mile apart, but each acts like the other doesn't even exist. It's only a very easy walk of 2 blocks or so if you're willing to hop a fence and trespass a little. Otherwise it's a roundabout half-mile walk.

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Re: Amtrak in Miami (Hialeah, Miami Intermodal Center/Airpor

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Fri May 03, 2019 6:41 am

It’s a shame that at least, Amtrak doesn’t terminate at the MIC. I probably wouldn’t walk from the MIC to the existing Amtrak Station since it’s a rough area too.

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Re: Amtrak in Miami (Hialeah, Miami Intermodal Center/Airpor

Post by JasW » Fri May 03, 2019 8:18 am

njt/mnrrbuff wrote:It’s a shame that at least, Amtrak doesn’t terminate at the MIC. I probably wouldn’t walk from the MIC to the existing Amtrak Station since it’s a rough area too.
Walk from the MIC to the current Amtrak station? It's a good 4 miles away!

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Re: Miami Airport Station

Post by SRich » Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:30 pm

Any update on this “Amtrak” station. I was there today and still its showing a letter that Amtrak is not serving this station.
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Re: Miami Airport Station

Post by njt/mnrrbuff » Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:23 am

The Miami Amtrak station is still located at its current inconvenient and very unsafe location.

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Re: Miami Airport Station

Post by Rockingham Racer » Fri Jul 05, 2019 12:12 pm

njt/mnrrbuff wrote:
Fri Jul 05, 2019 6:23 am
The Miami Amtrak station is still located at its current inconvenient and very unsafe location.
I used to live in Miami. Never heard of any crime in the immediate area. Perhaps you know something that I don't. I'd be interested in hearing it, if you do. I'll admit that Miami is not Hialeah, but still.

The nice thing about the current station is that there's a loop that encircles the station. Makes it very easy to turn equipment. The Miami Airport station is going to require a backup move to return to Hialeah for turning and servicing, bucking Tri-Rail trains to and fro.

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Re: Miami Airport Station

Post by chrsjrcj » Fri Jul 12, 2019 7:04 pm

SRich wrote:
Tue Jul 02, 2019 7:30 pm
Any update on this “Amtrak” station. I was there today and still its showing a letter that Amtrak is not serving this station.
It's pretty safe to say that it will serve an even less useful purpose than the new Viewliner dining cars...as in, it likely ain't gonna happen (especially under the current regime).

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