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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Post by Kilo Echo » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:01 am

This is a little off the topic, but how effective are the snow-melting mechanisms on the new platforms in Wallingford, Meriden, and Berlin?
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Post by Jeff Smith » Sun Jan 20, 2019 9:27 am

Not off topic at all. I’m curious as well. That feature was highly touted.
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Post by daybeers » Sun Jan 20, 2019 11:37 am

Jenny on a M2 wrote:
daybeers wrote:
Jenny on a M2 wrote: That said, it sure doesn't help out the college kids with the U-Pass. And, before we heap on them with "they're getting a free ride so they can suck it and wait", I'm pretty sure there's a mandatory fee for the U-Pass in their tuition so they still ARE paying customers.
Yes, I am one of those college kids. It's a $20 fee on the tuition each semester, which isn't much, but if the whole point is to get more people to use the trains, and their first experience is being left on the platform, it would be remarkable for the average person to try using the service again.
I agree with you 100%. $20 isn't much but you do expect to get some utility out of that, much of which is the ability to work/study on the train vs having to focus on driving to class each day.

You're not getting that if you're freezing on a platform somewhere missing class you've paid for.
Right, and after someone gets left on the platform once, I doubt they'll have much of a pull to give the train a shot again.

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Post by lordsigma12345 » Sun Jan 20, 2019 8:07 pm

Hopefully the current plan will work in the interim until the equipment gets figured out.

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Post by gregorygrice » Mon Jan 21, 2019 1:50 pm

Jeff Smith wrote:Not off topic at all. I’m curious as well. That feature was highly touted.
The platform heaters worked really well.

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Post by shadyjay » Tue Jan 22, 2019 6:43 pm

Looks like those wayside horns I questioned about a few weeks ago have just gone into service:

https://www.ct.gov/dot/cwp/view.asp?A=1373&Q=607338" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The horns were put into service on Monday, January 21, 2019, at the Cooper Street crossing, located between Cherry Street and South Colony Street in Meriden. In the coming weeks, wayside horns will be installed at the Pent Highway railroad crossing, located between North Plains Industrial Road and North Colony Road in Wallingford. CTDOT plans to continue the installation of wayside horns at grade crossings along the Hartford Line Rail to reduce noise.

Also, more browsing on the ConnDOT site reveals some upcoming "north end" construction:

Windsor - Temporary High Level Platform - Scope Code "F" ($2.5-5,000,000) - Advertising date 8/14/2019
Windsor Locks station - Facility Construction - Scope Code "M" ($40-60,000,000) - Advertising date 12/11/2019

Odd that they're spending that kind of money for a temporary high level platform, given that the eventual plan is to move the "station" south of the grade crossing and build a parking garage. Then again, maybe this is just a temporary solution, construct high level platforms on either side of the tracks and use the grade crossing as the crossing point, a la New London. As for Windsor Locks, that's a lot of cash for a station, which leads me to believe they may be relocating it to the original site north of "downtown" adjacent to the historic station. That site would need improvements from the ground up (parking), not to mention high level platforms and an up & over. The existing South Main St. site would need those improvements as well, but there's already some existing infrastructure to work with (some, but not much). Pros and cons with both sites. Any thoughts on which one they're going with?

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Post by gregorygrice » Tue Jan 22, 2019 7:04 pm

Only the one on Cooper St was reactivated Monday. I'm sure once the people complain how annoying it is again, I'm sure it'll be shut off again.

As for the platform, Im sure they had to put something in for ADA since they added the new platform. Because that platform is new, I believe it has to comply with current ADA standards. The older platforms are probably grandfathered by old rules.

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Post by GirlOnTheTrain » Wed Jan 23, 2019 1:03 pm

Wasn't Pent Highway the original pilot for wayside horns once upon a time which annoyed the natives?
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Post by gregorygrice » Wed Jan 23, 2019 2:04 pm

GirlOnTheTrain wrote:Wasn't Pent Highway the original pilot for wayside horns once upon a time which annoyed the natives?
I believe there were complaints on all of them. Very funny because the wayside horns play a very loud K5LA 14L sound file on loop the whole time the crossing is activated whether there's a train present or not. That must be awesome when CSO-1 is going by with a long train. What a waste.

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Post by dha10001 » Wed Jan 23, 2019 7:45 pm

My understanding is that the Windsor Locks station will be built near the historic station with a connection to the Montgomery Mills redevelopment project across the canal. I recall reading about a pedestrian bridge connecting the station to that building. That may explain the cost estimate. I believe the town has developed a TOD plan to redevelop their whole Main Street area around this new station, as well raised funds to restore the historic station building. That would all strongly indicate that the relocated station is the one moving forward.

2.5-5 million sure does sound like an extremely high amount for a temporary high platform! I hope that's not the case. After seeing what MNR built at the Devon transfer station, by all accounts a functional and attractive structure, I have to wonder if that approach could be rolled out again elsewhere in the state. For instance, at Wall Street on the Danbury Branch, or as part of future branch line extensions. Could be part of a "tactical transit" inspired approach to reducng start-up costs. Unless of course there are 1,000 pages of regulations explicitly forbidding that kind of thing.

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Post by lordsigma12345 » Thu Jan 24, 2019 8:47 am

I would assume and hope, given the high cost, that this includes building the Windsor Locks station with a platform for the eventual second track which would become active when the second track is built.

Given this amount of money I think it’s fair to say that we can say goodbye to the free parking at this station. Would expect to see a similar setup to Berlin/Wallingford/Meriden.

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Post by Kilo Echo » Thu Jan 24, 2019 12:05 pm

dha10001 wrote:My understanding is that the Windsor Locks station will be built near the historic station with a connection to the Montgomery Mills redevelopment project across the canal.
What became of the original plan to build the new platforms just a bit farther north—between the current platform and I-91? As I recall, there was also to be an airport shuttle bus.
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Post by shadyjay » Thu Jan 24, 2019 5:24 pm

The original plan was to build them just slightly north of the existing platform. Then IIRC the town got involved and wanted a more "downtown" station. I don't recall an announcement saying the station is staying put or moving.

The existing location would be good for an airport shuttle, as its right next to the I-91 ramps, and does appear to have more parking space available. A plan I saw had a new lot on the west side of Rt 159 (where the I-91 NB Exit 42 ramps used to be, pre-1992) and a pedestrian bridge over the roadway, in addition to using (and expanding) the existing parking lot.

The downtown station gives you the advantage of a station building (after its restored), and a more downtown (ie - walkable) location. Its also at the southern end of the Suffield industrial track, which *could* in the future be extended right to the airport.

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Post by scoostraw » Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:39 am

gregorygrice wrote:
GirlOnTheTrain wrote:Wasn't Pent Highway the original pilot for wayside horns once upon a time which annoyed the natives?
I believe there were complaints on all of them. Very funny because the wayside horns play a very loud K5LA 14L sound file on loop the whole time the crossing is activated whether there's a train present or not. That must be awesome when CSO-1 is going by with a long train. What a waste.
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Re: Hartford Line CtDOT New Haven-Springfield - NHHS

Post by scoostraw » Sat Feb 23, 2019 1:41 am

Speaking of platforms, I noticed that some of the platforms have gauntlet rails laid around them.

Am I correct in assuming that this is for MOW equipment only - and is temporary?

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