Utica Branch Discussion Thread

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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Post by JoeCollege » Wed Jun 13, 2018 2:19 pm

I was off by a few hours. But both units did return north with 2 loaded bulkhead flats of steel for a customer in the Utica area. First revenue freight since 2006. Hopefully a sign of things to come.

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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Post by ut-1 » Wed Jun 13, 2018 7:56 pm

Here's a short video featuring today's northbound revenue run:

https://youtu.be/TttWbjTycsc" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Post by milkman » Thu Jun 14, 2018 3:59 am

Nice video ut-1!, I was hoping you would post a video of it.
I video taped the train as it went by our house, but yours is much better.

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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Post by ricky » Sun Jun 17, 2018 3:44 pm

now the line is offcially reopen now all they need is customers who first?

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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Post by milkman » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:46 pm

some info on the railroad from the Norwich Evening Sun.
https://www.evesun.com/news/stories/201 ... -business/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Post by NYS&W142Fan » Wed Jun 20, 2018 3:51 pm

milkman wrote:some info on the railroad from the Norwich Evening Sun.
https://www.evesun.com/news/stories/201 ... -business/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Can you please post the content of the article here so those of us who do not have a subscription can read it.

Thanks!

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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Post by milkman » Wed Jun 20, 2018 7:59 pm

NYS&W142Fan wrote:
milkman wrote:some info on the railroad from the Norwich Evening Sun.
https://www.evesun.com/news/stories/201 ... -business/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Can you please post the content of the article here so those of us who do not have a subscription can read it.

Thanks!
I don't have a subscription to the paper so I can't copy and paste it, but I did buy the paper so I could read the article.
It didn't say a whole lot, just explained how they got the grants to restore the line and that the line is now open and ready for business.
It did mention that they are talking to potential customers in chenango county and else ware along the line.

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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Post by johnpbarlow » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:23 am

If NYSW is actively marketing the Utica branch, it has yet to publish tariffs on its web site for points south of Sangerfield/Waterville along the line (eg, there are no tariffs shown for Norwich or Shelburne). The tariffs for the so-called "Utica Group" include only the following stations, which are all serviced from Utica via CSX interchange:
Chadwicks, NY
Clayville, NY
New Hartford, NY
New York Mills, NY
Sangerfield, NY
Paris, NY
Richfield Junction, NY
Utica, NY
Waterville, NY


And at the south end of the Utica branch, the "Binghamton Station Group" references only Binghamton, Chenango Bridge, and Chenango Forks.

Furthermore, in the Lumber and Related Panel Products Tariff document, effective 1/1/2018 through 12/31/2018, is this text:
Utica Station Group: - Interline traffic to/from stations contained in the Utica Station Group must be routed via interchange with the CSX at Utica, NY.
The other published commodities tariffs currently in effect (Grains and related products, plastics, and Fertilizer) indicate the same stipulation re: Utica Station group.

Here's the URL to NYSW corporate web site: http://www.nysw.com/

Perhaps the NYSW web site is not yet up to date wrt new tariffs to market the whole of the Utica line....

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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Post by johnpbarlow » Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:57 am

I found this article in today's on-line edition of Railway Track & Structures:

https://www.rtands.com/freight/shortlin ... -12-years/

Excerpts:
The first freight shipment in 12 years on New York Susquehanna and Western (NYSW) Railroad’s Utica Line consisted of a locomotive pulling two flat cars carrying hollow steel beams from Elkhart, Ind., to New York Mills near Utica, N.Y.
So I'm guessing these two centerbeam cars were interchanged from NS at Binghamton.

And:
CCIDA [County of Chenango Industrial Development Agency] hopes the steel beam shipment will be the first of many as the restored freight rail service is now being marketed to potential customers in Chenango County and elsewhere on the NYSW system.

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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Post by ricky » Tue Jun 26, 2018 12:23 pm

i dont if true or not i heard they run another train threw norwich today

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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Post by JoeCollege » Tue Jun 26, 2018 2:10 pm

The empties returned south today. There is demand for loads of stone from the West Winfield area to Binghamton during construction season, which will be over before we know it. Not sure pet food is a customer anymore, and the old Sherburne Metal plant is closed. There was a plastics manufacturer in the county that got pellets, but I think those were transloaded at Utica and that was many moons ago. Not sure who else the IDA is marketing to but I wish them tremendous success.

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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Post by milkman » Wed Jun 27, 2018 2:15 am

JoeCollege wrote:The empties returned south today. There is demand for loads of stone from the West Winfield area to Binghamton during construction season, which will be over before we know it. Not sure pet food is a customer anymore, and the old Sherburne Metal plant is closed. There was a plastics manufacturer in the county that got pellets, but I think those were transloaded at Utica and that was many moons ago. Not sure who else the IDA is marketing to but I wish them tremendous success.
I heard Raymonds might be interested in using rail service.
Why doesn't Chenango Asphalt use rail service?, the tracks go right by there plant.

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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Post by JoeCollege » Wed Jun 27, 2018 10:47 am

milkman wrote:I heard Raymonds might be interested in using rail service. Why doesn't Chenango Asphalt use rail service?, the tracks go right by there plant.
I don't work there so I don't know but my guess would be that (A) they source their gravel from pretty much right across the street, and (B) they don't use enough oil or whatever to make it cost effective for them or the railroad.

I could see Raymond transloading steel somewhere- Binghamton maybe?- which would negate use of the line unless they could find a spot in Greene and dray it over to the plant. They or someone is using space for box trucks all over town, maybe a piggy back ramp like Victory used in Norwich? I am sure they've looked into it. NYSW does NOT have a good reputation in the local business community as shipper friendly, especially for small irregular shipments. Baillie used to transload at Sherburne but now puts lumber into containers and sends it to Syracuse for CSX to haul away. Chobani doesn't seem to have the need, but I would love to see fruit or something come to Norwich by rail for transload.

If there is business to be generated in Chenango county, I can't seem to find it.

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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Post by ut-1 » Thu Jun 28, 2018 6:06 am

The second revenue run in 12 years north up the entirety of the Utica branch occurred yesterday. This short video includes glimpses of the run, including at the old DL&W/NYO&W flyover in North Norwich:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UMEd_nmOvdA&t=2s" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Utica Branch Discussion Thread

Post by milkman » Thu Jun 28, 2018 5:57 pm

Nice video as always ut-1.
I would like to see that crossing, is it off of county rd 23?

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