LIRR C-Liner engines

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LIRR C-Liner engines

Post by FrankAndCindy » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:26 pm

Hello, Does anyone know if the old Fairbanks Morse sea liners were ever double headed? Thanks, Frank And Cindy

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Re: LIRR sea liner engines

Post by DutchRailnut » Wed Feb 07, 2018 12:39 pm

that would be C-liner and no they were not.
engines are MUed not double headed .
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Re: LIRR sea liner engines

Post by FrankAndCindy » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:11 pm

Hello, You Sir are being extremely picky. I wonder if my 35 years of RAILROAD experience surpasses yours. Thank you sir Frank and Cindy

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Re: LIRR sea liner engines

Post by DutchRailnut » Wed Feb 07, 2018 4:43 pm

close my career is wee bit shorter , but I know what a C-Liner is and what a railroad double header is :-)
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Re: LIRR sea liner engines

Post by RGlueck » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:13 pm

The name "C-Liner" came from FM's catalogue, naming it the "Consolidated Line" of Diesels.ergo "C-Liner". In Spanish, "Si' Liner".

At the San Diego Zoo, "Sea Lions", but that's immaterial. Prime Movers from some of the LIRR FM units saw secondary lives in ship applications, some in Viet Nam. Viet Nam was once a French colony, so they could be "Oui Liners" as well.

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Re: LIRR sea liner engines

Post by Head-end View » Wed Feb 07, 2018 8:45 pm

I read somewhere that the C-Liners could not run MUed. One could tow another but they could not be used to double the power to a train.

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Re: LIRR sea liner engines

Post by nyandw » Thu Feb 08, 2018 12:55 am

Head-end View wrote:I read somewhere that the C-Liners could not run MUed. One could tow another but they could not be used to double the power to a train.
I've never a photo of two or more pulling a consist MUed. Double headed (each operated individually by its Steam engine crew) would not apply in this case.

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Re: LIRR sea liner engines

Post by newkirk » Thu Feb 08, 2018 6:59 am

Sorry for going off topic a bit, but are there any Fairbanks-Morse "C" liners in existence anywhere ?
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Re: LIRR sea liner engines

Post by DutchRailnut » Thu Feb 08, 2018 9:16 am

2 in Canada.
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Re: LIRR sea liner engines

Post by 452 Card » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:18 am

lirr2008_FM-CPA20-5_Train-in-reverse_Jamaica-06-24-55_Faxon-Keller.jpg
See?--No MU hoses on the B end-- Liner!
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Re: LIRR sea liner engines

Post by scopelliti » Thu Feb 08, 2018 10:41 am

Was just about to post that photo. Yeah,no MU hoses. Also, note the rear light which I have not seen on any models. I mocked up one on a spare C-Liner shell. Needs some work,but getting there...
rear light 2403 model.jpg
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Re: LIRR sea liner engines

Post by 452 Card » Thu Feb 08, 2018 1:57 pm

I just noticed a detail from the pic I posted. There is an ASC pickup bar on the B end of that engine. They must have operated them backwards in ASC territory on a usual basis. There could be no other reason for it to be there. Maybe, with the door window, there was a control stand back there? Also, MTH blew it too, no headlight on the B end and they also included a coach-type bellows. IMO- that pic was taken on the day I was born! LOL
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Re: LIRR sea liner engines

Post by RGlueck » Thu Feb 08, 2018 7:55 pm

I have been told that C-Liners did operate in tandem on Montauk trains, but two crews were required. This was a rare operation.

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Re: LIRR sea liner engines

Post by Backshophoss » Thu Feb 08, 2018 11:55 pm

MU was an extra cost when FM built the C-Liners for LIRR,they normally worked as single units,would need 2 engine crews if 2 C-Liners were on
a train to Montauk.
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Re: LIRR sea liner engines

Post by nyandw » Sat Feb 10, 2018 12:46 am

Has anyone ever seen photos of two C-Liners in action, a train order Form 19, etc. That would indicate "double heading" (non-MU capability) as the OP asked about.... Two of these lashed together with each under engineer control? What am I missing?

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