Diesel "B" Units in NH Line/PC service Pssgr or Frght

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Re: Diesel (FL-9) Question: "B" Units

Post by Otto Vondrak » Sun Dec 07, 2008 10:23 pm

NYC steam generators:

http://canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-xh-6.jpg

http://canadasouthern.com/caso/images/nyc-h4.jpg

Possible? But what year were we talking about again?
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Re: Diesel (FL-9) Question: "B" Units

Post by Allen Hazen » Mon Dec 08, 2008 12:06 am

Did the Long Island ever have steam generator cars that looked like the New York Central's? The New York subway's #7 line goes over Sunnyside Yard, and in about 1982 (keeping a sharp eye out for potentially interesting railroad items on a trip between outer Queens and Manhattan) I saw one or two things looking a bit like these sitting in the yard, and I've never known what they were.

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Re: Diesel (FL-9) Question: "B" Units

Post by Jeff Smith » Mon Dec 08, 2008 7:44 am

Cool pics, Otto, but no, not those. Further "searches" of my memory recall that they were very much like the cab units they trailed. I do remember portholes now, not windows. Could they have been B units for F-10's? Did the E-7's or 8's have B units? Any NH or NYC freight locomotives? I've ordered some books, if I come up with anything, I'll let you know. Sorry to send everyone off on such a wild goose chase.
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Re: Diesel (FL-9) Question: "B" Units

Post by Otto Vondrak » Mon Dec 08, 2008 11:25 am

Sarge wrote:Cool pics, Otto, but no, not those. Further "searches" of my memory recall that they were very much like the cab units they trailed. I do remember portholes now, not windows. Could they have been B units for F-10's? Did the E-7's or 8's have B units? Any NH or NYC freight locomotives? I've ordered some books, if I come up with anything, I'll let you know. Sorry to send everyone off on such a wild goose chase.
Once again, nothing in the 1971 time period you're talking about. The F-10's did not arrive on Metro-North until 1992, and there were no "B" units as part of that transaction (The F-10's were rebuilt by Paducah in 1979 for MBTA commuter service from old GM&O F-3's. No B-units were part of that order).
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Re: Diesel (FL-9) Question: Power Units (non-cab trailer)

Post by Jeff Smith » Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:24 pm

TomNelligan wrote:
Sarge wrote: So they would have been called "B" units, but not on the FL9. I'm positive I remember seeing them, but it must have been NH or PC days, then, and probably a long distance train.
No one has yet mentioned the passenger B-units (E7Bs) that the New York Central and then Penn Central ran with E7s and E8s on mail and express trains on the Hudson Division and then down the West Side freight line. PC had a fair number of F7Bs in service into the early 1970s (although I believe only F7As lasted to Conrail). PC's F-units were concentrated in the Midwest, but did come east as late as the early 1970s. And a couple of the New Haven's Alco FBs were still active in freight service into the early PC period, through 1969 at least, although they usually ran out of Boston. The NH never had any passenger B-units.
Noel Weaver wrote:I am not sure just what we are getting at here regarding engines into Grand Central Terminal. Over a long period of years a
lot of different diesels have made an appearance in the terminal. This includes E-7 and E-8 A units but I do not ever recall
seeing a B unit in the terminal.
Noel Weaver
Ran across something in the Winter 2008 Issue of Classic Trains: Page 80. There is a picture of an E8 with an F3B; both appear to have portholes, as per my recollection. Of course, it's Kansas City Southern and the date is 1962. Still, there were F3B's, but per Otto, the F-10's nee F-3's did not arrive until the 90's?

However, I think Tom's point that the NH never had any passenger B units must be correct, and I must have seen an FB on freight service, since it was the PC period, which is when I now remember them. I guess it could have been an E7B or F7B, but according to Tom, not likely.

Once again, thanks to all.

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Re: Diesel (FL-9) Question: "B" Units

Post by BR&P » Mon Jan 05, 2009 9:52 pm

How did this one get into the NYC forum?

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Re: Diesel (FL-9) Question: "B" Units

Post by Jeff Smith » Tue Jan 06, 2009 2:36 pm

BR&P wrote:How did this one get into the NYC forum?
It started in MNRR forum, then was moved here.
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Re: Diesel (FL-9) Question: "B" Units

Post by Otto Vondrak » Tue Jan 06, 2009 5:14 pm

Sarge wrote:
BR&P wrote:How did this one get into the NYC forum?
It started in MNRR forum, then was moved here.
'twasn't me, so I moved it to Penn Central.
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Re: Diesel "B" Units in NH Line/PC service Pssgr or Frght

Post by lvrr325 » Wed Jan 07, 2009 1:10 am

New Haven Power shows no passenger B's. In fact, New Haven never even bought an F-unit until the FL9. But they had FAs, FB's, PAs, DL109s, and various FM cabs (by 1969 I believe only some FAs remained, along with one DL109 carcass).

F7/F9 B units lasted into Conrail, Penn Central even ran some ex-D&RGW ABBA sets they bought intending to use as trade-ins, but finding them to be in good shape. Conrail also ran some ex-EL F-units, both A and B.

New York Central had PBs including one re-engined with an EMD prime mover. Gone by PC I believe, though.

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