Present-day PC Locomotives - what if?

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Re: Modern PC Locomotives

Post by scottychaos » Fri Oct 31, 2008 6:19 am

rrfoose wrote:Scot, mind if I borrow that logo and slap it on the side of a train to see what it looks like?

No problem! :P
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Re: Modern PC Locomotives

Post by ecouter » Fri Oct 31, 2008 11:11 am

These new PC units -- do they have green cab interiors as did the original ones (holdover from NYC spec)? Just wondering. :wink:

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Re: Modern PC Locomotives

Post by GulfRail » Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:37 pm

lvrr325 wrote:Remember that a lot of PC people are who ran Conrail, too. I would expect no real major differences in the modern motive power roster.

What I see is a PC noodle with "Quality" in the same font, below.... which aught to be good for some laughs. Unless they could figure out a way to add a Q to the noodle.
Very true. I Could see some C44-9W's, C40-8's, C40-8W's, B40-8W's, and ES44DC's in the roster.

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Re: Modern PC Locomotives

Post by GulfRail » Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:38 pm

scottychaos wrote:
lvrr325 wrote: What I see is a PC noodle with "Quality" in the same font, below.... which aught to be good for some laughs. Unless they could figure out a way to add a Q to the noodle.
Image

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WOW! :-D Great logo! I love it.

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Re: Modern PC Locomotives

Post by GulfRail » Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:38 pm

ecouter wrote:These new PC units -- do they have green cab interiors as did the original ones (holdover from NYC spec)? Just wondering. :wink:
Yeah. A light seafoam green would be standard on all units.

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Re: Modern PC Locomotives

Post by GulfRail » Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:41 pm

ecouter wrote:I don't know, but I was kind of thinking that since the PC management team was smart enough to keep that company going in the face of overwhelming odds, that they would have also been smart enough to reject the whole "quality image as a marketing tool" boondoggle. :( But then, maybe that's just me.

I'm also wondering how they managed to avoid being snapped up by a cash rich Norfolk Southern in the 1980s. Of course, such a merger would have made for super cheap paint overs, huh? :wink:
By this point, the same circumstances that made Conrail profitable would have made PC profitable (also, they would have divested themselves of their non-rail assets, making them flush with cash), and PC would have been private, so it would have had higher demands. Being that it sold its non-rail assets, it was able to retire the debt from its government funded repairs.

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Re: Modern PC Locomotives

Post by ecouter » Fri Oct 31, 2008 2:53 pm

I see.

On the other hand, NS would have been drooling over the prospects of owning that franchise, just as they did over Conrail.

But I understand that in this alternate universe PC remains independent and strong, with the old red/green divisions being put away forever. All of the NYC and PRR players are long since retired anyway, right?

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Re: Modern PC Locomotives

Post by GulfRail » Sat Nov 01, 2008 5:43 pm

Yup. All the NYC and PRR guys are gone. Being private, they may be harder to get than Conrail, which was being sold to NS for idealogical reasons by Ronald Reagan. So, they might want a very pricey deal, in cash. :wink: Conrail(which is similar to this "alternate" Penn Central) was worth over 7 billion when NS was going to purchase it for only 1 BILLION! (Talk about a discount!) Adjusted for inflation, Penn Central would be worth alot! (Man, I never thought I'd say that)

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Re: Modern PC Locomotives

Post by GOLDEN-ARM » Sat Nov 01, 2008 8:15 pm

Funny seeing PC and Quality in the same sentence.... :P I might slightly "slant" the box, so it aligns with the PC font. Also, I agree with the second post, regarding "modern" updates. You must have refelctive striping on the sides and ends of the loco. It's the law. Also, you might want to pool some oil on the catwalks, add liberal amounts of rust and grime, and have parts falling off the loco too........ :P hehehe

(wonder what that "written permission required to post this on any other website" means?)

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Re: Modern PC Locomotives

Post by GulfRail » Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:09 am

GOLDEN-ARM wrote:You must have refelctive striping on the sides and ends of the loco. It's the law. Also, you might want to pool some oil on the catwalks, add liberal amounts of rust and grime, and have parts falling off the loco too........ :P hehehe
Sorry GOLDEN-ARM, but those days on Penn Central are a thing of the past! :-D The US government, afraid of creating a "socialist" railroad (CR), decided to give the cash that would have been for Conrail to Penn Central, Reading, and the Delaware & Hudson. The CNJ, LHR, EL, and Ann Arbor were chopped up and sold to a variety of railroads. (Chessie, N&W, B&M, D&H). Penn Central was allowed to aggressively tear up branches, redundant main lines, and merge its subsidiaries into itself. To retire the debt it had incurred over the years, all the torn up lines were sold as scrap, along with older equipment. Penn Central began to upgrade its fleet to include SD40-2's,GP38-2's,GP40-2's,C30-7's,C36-7's,B23-7's, and SD50's by the early 1980's. Bi-Directional running was also introduced. Trains going Eastbound from Chicago to New York(for Example) were routed on an all NYC route. But trains going Westbound used an LV-NYC-Canada Southern-NYC routing. The water level route east of Rochester was primarily used for eastbound traffic, with all westbound traffic being routed on the LV to Rochester, where it would be diverted onto the water level route. (Penn Central poured millions into making sure that it wouldn't have congestion problems like it had in the past!) By the mid 1980's, after ten years of hard work, and the selling off of its nonrail assets, Penn Central was a lean and profitable railroad. Finally, it could live up to the promises of 20 years ago and make money. Penn Central and Norfolk Southern began to use roadrailers for long haul runs, and convinced shippers to change from regular trailers to roadrailers. Penn Central even developed a special chassis to convert ordinary trailers to roadrailers. But doublestacks would be what really took off on Penn Central. Where the flexivans once rolled, mile long stack trains snaked along. Horseshoe Curve had become such a bottleneck by the mid 1990's that studies were done to see if installation of a fourth track was necessary!

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Re: Modern PC Locomotives

Post by GulfRail » Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:12 am

Oh, and GOLDEN-ARM, you'll be happy to know that the Lehigh Valley is still a vital line under Penn Central! Only the Buffalo-Rochester segment was abandoned, other than that and some branchlines, the core of the LV is a modern mainline and sees nearly 5,10, or even 15 stack trains per day! :-D

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Re: Modern PC Locomotives

Post by rrfoose » Sun Nov 02, 2008 10:25 am

Ok, so I finally got around to putting Scot's PC Quality logo on a loco (that's a saying - logo on a loco..)

Anywho, here it is. There's something that just doesn't seem right about it though. Either it needs yellow handrails (like GulfRail) or the actual Penn Central text.
http://www.trainweb.org/southpenn/image ... 204800.gif

And maybe if PC did some heritage units...
http://www.trainweb.org/southpenn/image ... 204300.gif
http://www.trainweb.org/southpenn/image ... 204300.gif

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Re: Modern PC Locomotives

Post by GulfRail » Sun Nov 02, 2008 2:35 pm

:-D Awesome SD70!

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Re: Modern PC Locomotives

Post by rrfoose » Sun Nov 02, 2008 4:16 pm

Thanks! And how about some red mating worms? Also added yellow handrails.

http://www.trainweb.org/southpenn/image ... 204801.gif

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Re: Present-day PC Locomotives - what if?

Post by Tadman » Wed Dec 03, 2008 6:34 pm

Makes me wish NS would go back to the Pocahontas maroon used for a while post-NW/WAB/NKP merger. You just can't beat that look.

As for PC doing cheap repaints, I've heard the reason Pennsy painted with only a keystone in the 1960's was to make it easy to simply apply the worms over the keystone without having to paint out "PENNSYLVANIA" as well. DGLE for PRR was DGLE for PC.
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