Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Post by SEPTA2461 » Sun Aug 18, 2013 12:37 am

Does anyone have photographs of the Erie stubs that you might be comfortable enough to share? I understand if no one can, considering its photo-sensitive state. I went to the Lawncrest area to film the pedestrian tunnel that might have been the entrance to the Adams Avenue station. It was gated off. The stairs were crumbling. And the walls were graffiti-laden. If anybody wants to see them, I can put them up.

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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Post by SCB2525 » Tue Sep 10, 2013 11:28 pm

I'd actually like to see that.

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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Post by SEPTA2461 » Wed Sep 11, 2013 12:23 am

SCB2525 wrote:I'd actually like to see that.
Unfortunately, none of my own pictures can fit on this website, but I've got a photo of a turnback area that resembles Erie somewhat. This might be Walnut-Locust, but we'll leave it to the more experienced eyes to say for sure.
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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Post by SCB2525 » Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:05 pm

Actually that looks more like Fern Rock interlocking.

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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Post by SEPTA2461 » Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:05 pm

SCB2525 wrote:Actually that looks more like Fern Rock interlocking.
Hmm that's now. Must people think Walnut-Locust. But Fern Rock interlocking doesn't have a double-crossover in the middle like Walnut-Locust and Erie do.

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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Post by SCB2525 » Thu Oct 03, 2013 11:15 pm

You know what you're absolutely right that is definitely Walnut Locust. You can see the track end lamps in the distance. It's definitely not Erie as those tracks end in sand filled troughs that act as derails.

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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Post by SEPTA2461 » Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:09 pm

SCB2525 wrote:You know what you're absolutely right that is definitely Walnut Locust. You can see the track end lamps in the distance. It's definitely not Erie as those tracks end in sand filled troughs that act as derails.
Sand? That's kinda dangerous. Have you been up there to see them?

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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Post by SEPTA2461 » Fri Oct 04, 2013 7:36 pm

SEPTA2461 wrote:
SCB2525 wrote:You know what you're absolutely right that is definitely Walnut Locust. You can see the track end lamps in the distance. It's definitely not Erie as those tracks end in sand filled troughs that act as derails.
Sand? That's kinda dangerous. Have you been up there to see them?
Also, is Olney like that? I can never make out a proper end of track device within that stub, just an orange marker sign.

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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Post by SCB2525 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 7:47 pm

I have seen Erie ramp and also Olney, but didn't see end of track at Olney as there was a Ridge Spur train held there. The other ramps at Olney have no trackage. At Erie, the last say, 100 feet of rail are simply laid in a trough of sand. Apparently that's the original setup. Beyond that is a substation that was taken out of service in 1996.

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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Post by SEPTA2461 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 8:25 pm

SCB2525 wrote:I have seen Erie ramp and also Olney, but didn't see end of track at Olney as there was a Ridge Spur train held there. The other ramps at Olney have no trackage. At Erie, the last say, 100 feet of rail are simply laid in a trough of sand. Apparently that's the original setup. Beyond that is a substation that was taken out of service in 1996.
Amazing. I guess they never put up bumpers in anticipation of the Northeast Spur actually built. No photos, I presume?

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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Post by SCB2525 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:04 pm

The only photo I have is of the untracked southbound ramp at Olney. I took other pictures but the low lighting and sodium lighting played havoc on my camera; these photos are of no value.

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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Post by SCB2525 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:10 pm

Also of note; at Erie, once the ramps rise above the main track, the tracks level out and continue for about 3 full trainlengths. It's impossible to see end of track from the ramp. This is likely why there was no need to convert to modern derails and bumpers, as any trains laid over stop and switch ends well short of end of track.

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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Post by SEPTA2461 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:25 pm

SCB2525 wrote:Also of note; at Erie, once the ramps rise above the main track, the tracks level out and continue for about 3 full trainlengths. It's impossible to see end of track from the ramp. This is likely why there was no need to convert to modern derails and bumpers, as any trains laid over stop and switch ends well short of end of track.
I'll bet many a conductor who once they got their train settled in up there would scratch their head and wonder where those tracks led to.

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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Post by SCB2525 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 9:47 pm

Na, you can see from a laid up train, they change ends on the near end of the leveled-out portion beyond the ramps. It is a ways past that though.

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Re: Philadelphia Roosevelt Blvd Subway

Post by SEPTA2461 » Thu Oct 10, 2013 10:02 pm

SCB2525 wrote:Na, you can see from a laid up train, they change ends on the near end of the leveled-out portion beyond the ramps. It is a ways past that though.
If they're really 3 trainlengths long, they must stop at least near the Hunting Park station.

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