PATCO to Glassboro?

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WashingtonPark
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Re: PATCO to Glassboro?

Post by WashingtonPark » Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:01 pm

pateljones wrote:Don’t forget that No Build is an option. Any deadline for when the consultants report will be issued?
No build is certainly an option, especially if the federal funds don't come through. Timetable that was given to us was 2019-studies finished, 2020-presentation to the public at community meetings, 2021-awarding of contracts, 2022 to 2025-construction. Steps one and two have been going on for decades. My guess is when 2021 comes the DRPA will determine the studies are out of date and hand out more gas tax dollars to consultants.

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Re: PATCO to Glassboro?

Post by Dcell » Mon Apr 29, 2019 7:03 am

The expansion being discussed would branch from the existing PATCO line in Camden, just east of Broadway station. So it would require additional TPH, not extending any current service past Lindenwold[/quote]

Is there a diagram or schematic of this connection linking Patco and the rail line to Glassboro? I’d like to learn more about it.

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Re: PATCO to Glassboro?

Post by ExCon90 » Mon Apr 29, 2019 3:05 pm

I'd be surprised if there is one--I don't know that it's ever been seriously considered. For one thing, there's a considerable difference in grade where PATCO and the ex-PRSL line to Glassboro are closest.

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Re: PATCO to Glassboro?

Post by WashingtonPark » Mon Apr 29, 2019 4:30 pm

Dcell wrote:
Is there a diagram or schematic of this connection linking Patco and the rail line to Glassboro? I’d like to learn more about it.
There's no schematic because there will be no connection.

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Re: PATCO to Glassboro?

Post by drinkatoast » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:29 pm

I'm convinced by the informed operational posts I've seen here that it wouldn't be feasible to run Gloucester Co. trains over PATCO into Center City. Surprising since the orig PATCO plan was for 3 branches all combining at Camden & running into the subway, but I guess real-world testing proved that not possible. In any case I hope the if a Gloucester Co. DMU line does get built it has the capacity, as I mentioned in previous post, to handle much higher patronage than the RiverLine. Gloucester Co. - Phila. is a MAJOR commuter corridor unlike Trenton - Burlington - Phila.

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Re: PATCO to Glassboro?

Post by ChrisinAbington » Wed May 01, 2019 11:20 am

drinkatoast wrote:I'm convinced by the informed operational posts I've seen here that it wouldn't be feasible to run Gloucester Co. trains over PATCO into Center City. Surprising since the orig PATCO plan was for 3 branches all combining at Camden & running into the subway, but I guess real-world testing proved that not possible. In any case I hope the if a Gloucester Co. DMU line does get built it has the capacity, as I mentioned in previous post, to handle much higher patronage than the RiverLine. Gloucester Co. - Phila. is a MAJOR commuter corridor unlike Trenton - Burlington - Phila.
Potentially it might not be that difficult to run PATCO up the Ridge Avenue Spur if severed connections were restored. There's some capacity for you although not much of Center City would be affected. Obviously jurisdictional issues would need to be addressed. People looking to go to Locust could transfer at Franklin Square.
Chris.

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Re: PATCO to Glassboro?

Post by mcgrath618 » Wed May 01, 2019 11:28 am

ChrisinAbington wrote:
drinkatoast wrote:I'm convinced by the informed operational posts I've seen here that it wouldn't be feasible to run Gloucester Co. trains over PATCO into Center City. Surprising since the orig PATCO plan was for 3 branches all combining at Camden & running into the subway, but I guess real-world testing proved that not possible. In any case I hope the if a Gloucester Co. DMU line does get built it has the capacity, as I mentioned in previous post, to handle much higher patronage than the RiverLine. Gloucester Co. - Phila. is a MAJOR commuter corridor unlike Trenton - Burlington - Phila.
Potentially it might not be that difficult to run PATCO up the Ridge Avenue Spur if severed connections were restored. There's some capacity for you although not much of Center City would be affected. Obviously jurisdictional issues would need to be addressed. People looking to go to Locust could transfer at Franklin Square.
It's my stark opinion that either both the BRS and PATCO needs to run all the way to 16th and Locust, or just the Spur. PATCO going to the end is great, but because it's a separate entity from SEPTA, it discourages Philly residents from using it (which is a shame, because it goes to a lot of popular destinations). Since the City owns the tunnels, they could just not renew the lease with PATCO.

PATCO should, in all seriousness, be treated like the PATH of Philadelphia. Have it work on the same faring system as SEPTA, and have it just be a way to get into Jersey from the city, not to get around Philadelphia. This would allow for the BRS to actually maybe get a few riders, which could then justify an extension or even (and I am being VERY optimistic here) a construction of the full loop.

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Re: PATCO to Glassboro?

Post by rr503 » Wed May 01, 2019 6:20 pm

drinkatoast wrote:I'm convinced by the informed operational posts I've seen here that it wouldn't be feasible to run Gloucester Co. trains over PATCO into Center City. Surprising since the orig PATCO plan was for 3 branches all combining at Camden & running into the subway, but I guess real-world testing proved that not possible. In any case I hope the if a Gloucester Co. DMU line does get built it has the capacity, as I mentioned in previous post, to handle much higher patronage than the RiverLine. Gloucester Co. - Phila. is a MAJOR commuter corridor unlike Trenton - Burlington - Phila.
The obstacles to PATCO to downtown seem to be ones that are almost entirely of PATCO's creation. The crossover placement at the terminal is unfortunate, as are the lengths of the terminal's relay tracks. On the managerial side, the issue seems to be one of political balkanization, a set of braking assumptions and signal designs that are out of line with the standards for heavy rail rapid transit really everywhere else in the tree-graced world, and sheer inertia. Luckily for us, all of these things could be fixed in the context of a capital investment and operating plan that prioritizes capacity reform, but that requires there to be a will on the part of electeds to...do the right thing.

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Re: PATCO to Glassboro?

Post by pateljones » Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:23 pm

The year 2019 is half finished and there still is nothing new from the consultants. I thought Mr. Senate President Sweeney was trying to move this faster along. So many cry for this service to Glassboro but the leaders seem to do nothing when they hear our cries.

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Re: PATCO to Glassboro?

Post by WashingtonPark » Sat Jul 06, 2019 9:24 am

From the Camden County freeholders and Norcross---------------2019-studies finished up---------------2020-community meetings--------------2021-awarding of contracts---------------2022-2025-constuction and opening. My guess---------------2019-studies finished up---------------2020-community meetings--------------2021-2025-studies by politically connected consulting firms conducted to ascertain whether previous studies are still valid. :(

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Re: PATCO to Glassboro?

Post by pateljones » Thu Aug 29, 2019 10:20 am

I fear the Extension Study is no longer being persued actively. I’ve called the telephone number listed on the study web site many many times but the telephone is disconnected. The updates on the web site are years old.

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Re: PATCO to Glassboro?

Post by pateljones » Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:50 am

Here is the official web site
http://www.glassborocamdenline.com

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