SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

Post by trackwelder » Fri Sep 12, 2014 3:25 pm

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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

Post by AlexC » Fri Sep 12, 2014 6:13 pm

Before the this thread begins evaluating the pros and cons of abacuses (abacai?) vs knots in a rope, let's keep it on the SEPTA Key / NPT technology.
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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

Post by Clearfield » Fri Sep 12, 2014 7:09 pm

I don't know for a fact that the name of the pass is SEPTA KEY.

What I do know from one of the briefings at 1234 is that in (I believe) April of 2013 Steve Red of Red Tettemer (the marketing firm SEPTA is using for NPT) said the name of the pass couldn't be revealed yet due to some kind of copyright issues.

Having said that, I can't understand what kind of copyright issues SEPTA KEY could create. SEPTA owns SEPTA and a key is a key is a key.

Having said THAT, if SEPTA KEY is really the name of the pass, and Red Tettemer and the attorneys spent many billable hours coming up with an expensive creative gem like SEPTA KEY, I'm really gonna be disappointed.

This would have been a perfect public outreach idea for SEPTA to have the public submit names to be cleared and ultimately selected.

SEPTA KEY?

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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

Post by SCB2525 » Fri Sep 12, 2014 8:31 pm

Part of me feels like a very early draft graphic was simply leaked, but I can't remember the last time SEPTA had something disappointingly lame/disappointing leak and not have it eventually come to pass (elimination of R's, AT&T, Jefferson).

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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

Post by loufah » Mon Sep 15, 2014 9:22 am

I couldn't find any relevant copyright for "key" or "key card", but a trademark for "key" got a notice of allowance last month - awarded to SEPTA, who filed in July 2013. http://www.trademarkia.com/key-86011728.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

Post by Clearfield » Mon Sep 15, 2014 4:40 pm

This has to be a cruel joke. Graphic from http://www.trademarkia.com/key-86011728.html
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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

Post by zebrasepta » Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:54 pm

Well... this confirms the name
http://www.philly.com/philly/business/t ... ystem.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
SEPTA's long-delayed, $130-million smart-card payment system will be called SEPTA Key, the agency announced Thursday.

Like Ben Franklin's key. Get it?

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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

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FAQ for SEPTA Key is up...

Post by JeffersonLeeEng » Mon Feb 16, 2015 2:31 pm

SEPTA Key FAQ -- http://www.septa.org/key/faq.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

Post by bikentransit » Mon Feb 16, 2015 10:36 pm

Any projected launch date yet? Or are the technical barriers still impermeable?

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Re: FAQ for SEPTA Key is up...

Post by tgolanos » Tue Feb 17, 2015 5:46 am

JeffersonLeeEng wrote:SEPTA Key FAQ -- http://www.septa.org/key/faq.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Quite the interesting read. I'm glad to see they're keeping monthly/weekly/daily passes in addition to introducing a "pay-as-you go" system. The biggest mistake Transport NSW made here in Sydney with tap-cards is getting rid of monthly/quarterly/yearly passes.
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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

Post by bikentransit » Wed Mar 11, 2015 10:29 am

Are there any updates on when the new fare system will be going into use? Some news articles from 2013 stated that the system would be getting installed in the spring of 2014 and we're a year later and still nothing. Is Xerox still working on the project?

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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

Post by loufah » Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:06 pm

This PlanPhilly article from Feb 25 http://planphilly.com/articles/2015/02/ ... ional-rail says "“Testing will be going on for the next couple of months,” says Kevin O’Brien, Senior Program Manager for SEPTA Key." and "By O’Brien’s count, the project is currently 16 months behind schedule."

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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

Post by bikentransit » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:36 pm

So in other words, the project has problems that have not been resolved yet, so paper transfers, tokens and tickets will be with us for the foreseeable future.

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Re: SEPTA NPT card will be "SEPTA Key"?

Post by MACTRAXX » Sat Mar 14, 2015 1:46 pm

bikentransit wrote:So in other words, the project has problems that have not been resolved yet, so paper transfers, tokens and tickets will be with us for the foreseeable future.
BNT (and Everyone):

The entire NPT system is going to be a huge change for SEPTA riders and it will need to be phased in gradually
and I give SEPTA credit for admitting that they are behind schedule and that their prime goal is to get it right and
not experience the problems that Chicago had being a good example with their new Ventra payment system on
the CTA...Metra and PACE are going to be integrated into the Ventra system eventually...

See: http://mashable.com/2013/12/17/chicago-ventra/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; "Chicago's new Smart Cards make commuting even harder"

I feel if SEPTA goes and rushes the NPT system too quickly into service without the major "bugs" taken out they
will get a wrath and backlash loud and clear from angry commuters if there are significant problems with NPT...

With major events like the World Meeting of Families/Papal Visit week only slightly over six months away I think
that SEPTA will at least wait until October to announce any significant changes concerning NPT and I feel that
this is the right move - not subjecting the multitudes of visitors - let alone regular riders - to a new payment type
system that almost no one will be already familiar with...

There is still the issues on just how the Regional Rail system will get NPT phased in and I am not alone in my
thoughts of being against gating the Center City stations in favor of a Proof of Payment based system...
I think that sometime in 2016 is very optomistic and when the decisions on the RRD are made 2017 seems
somewhat more likely noting how huge this project is going to be for the RRD alone...

Most regular riders use the current Trail and Transpass types which are among the most flexible use passes
sold by any transit system - keeping the option of monthly and weekly passes is a good move under NPT but
any move to limit or "cap" their use - and how transfers between modes will be counted for rides - is going to
only cause problems depending of how these are eventually administered...

The current tickets (RRD), tokens and transfers have worked for generations well but unless the technology to
properly replace them works correctly this in itself - angering SEPTA's loyal cash payers is going to be a major
problem for SEPTA...

In closing lets all hope that SEPTA gets NPT right the first time - millions of SEPTA riders WILL be watching...

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