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Discussion relating to Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority (Philadelphia Metro Area). Official web site can be found here: www.septa.com. Also including discussion related to the PATCO Speedline rapid transit operated by Delaware River Port Authority. Official web site can be found here: http://www.ridepatco.org/.

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 #494102  by Red Arrow Fan
 
SCB2525 wrote:
octr202 wrote:
RDG484 wrote:I wrote Seashore and they told me it IS there, but it is to be used for spare parts for their other two Bullets.
Dredging up a really old discussion, I just saw this photo online today:

Bullet 207 at Seashore, June 2007
The roof looks pretty bad but the body looks to be in pretty good shape. When were these retired?
According to the book "Suburban Philadelphia Trolleys" :

http://www.amazon.com/Suburban-Philadel ... 774&sr=1-1

#207 was retired on 26-Jan-1987 (badly damaged in collision with #202) and sold to Seashore for parts.

The others:
200 (not specified)
201 (not specified)
202 (not specified)
203 retired Dec '89, sold to Seashore
204 retired in 1986, sold for scrap to Wilmington Car Co (later re-sold)
205 retired 5-Apr-1990 (book says #205 is the only operating Bullet anywhere in the world)
206 retired 29-Oct-1990, and converted to rail de-icing car
208 retired Dec '89, sold to Seashore
209 (not specified)

(There's also a general comment that the cars were retired in 1990.)

 #494393  by walt
 
Bullet Car No 205 is operated by the Rockhill Trolley Museum in Rockhill Furnace, Pa. Trolley poles were installed permitting operation using the museum's overhead wire system. None of the other museums which have Bullet Cars have opted to add poles, and none of the museums uses third rail, hence No. 205's status as the only operating Bullet. The museum has also added poles to Bridge Line Car No 1009, and operates that subway car occasionally as well.
 #632465  by redarrow5591
 
Mr. Harlem Line wrote:Found this thread and thought it might be appropriate to post this here.

What type of subway cars are these?

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?72892

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?74262

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?94150
This is a 1938 Class B3 "South Broad" car.

This is a 1936 Class B2 "Bridge" car. These was notable as in the fact that was not owned by the City of Philadelphia but by the Delaware River Joint Bridge Commission, they was the only cars equipped with dynamic brakes and they was the first 4 motor cars used on either the Market-Frankford or the Broad Street.

And finally a 1922 Class M2 "Frankford Extension" car built by the Brill company for the City Of Philadelphia. These and the original Market Street cars was not able to either physically or mechanically trainline so both types stayed in solid sets until they was retired in 1960 with the purchase of the M3 "Almond Joys." All 315 cars was operational when the M3 came in.
 #637099  by Mr. Harlem Line
 
redarrow5591 wrote:
Mr. Harlem Line wrote:Found this thread and thought it might be appropriate to post this here.

What type of subway cars are these?

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?72892

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?74262

http://world.nycsubway.org/perl/show?94150
This is a 1938 Class B3 "South Broad" car.

This is a 1936 Class B2 "Bridge" car. These was notable as in the fact that was not owned by the City of Philadelphia but by the Delaware River Joint Bridge Commission, they was the only cars equipped with dynamic brakes and they was the first 4 motor cars used on either the Market-Frankford or the Broad Street.

And finally a 1922 Class M2 "Frankford Extension" car built by the Brill company for the City Of Philadelphia. These and the original Market Street cars was not able to either physically or mechanically trainline so both types stayed in solid sets until they was retired in 1960 with the purchase of the M3 "Almond Joys." All 315 cars was operational when the M3 came in.
Thank you for the explanation.
 #638908  by walt
 
The 1936 Bridge Line Cars operated exclusively on the Bridge Line ( 16th & Locust- Broadway-Camden) until that line was extended into the present PATCO Lindenwald Line. Prior to that extension, and the creation of PATCO to operate it, it was operated by the PRT-PTC as part of the Broad Street Subway system, and had a physical connection with the BSS at the 8th & Market Station of the Locust Street Subway via the Broad-Ridge Spur. At that time, Broad-Ridge Trains shared the 8th Street platform with the Bridge Line Trains. I don't believe that Camden trains ever used the connection in revenue service, but it was physically possible to run a train from Camden into the BSS. When PATCO took over the Locust Street Subway, and purchased the current passenger equipment, the Ridge Broad trains were removed from the lower level station, with a separate terminus being built in the concourse on the same level with the MFSE. I believe the track connection between the two lines was severed at that time after the 1936 cars had been moved to Fern Rock to be used in the BSS. The cars were originally lettered Delaware River Joint Commission then later Delaware River Port Authority.
 #660112  by trolleyk
 
The only remaining SEPTA/Red Arrow Bullett Cars:

203 Seashore Trolley Museum
205 Rockhill Trolley Museum
206 Electric City Trolley Museum
207 Seashore Trolley Museum
208 Seashore Trolley Museum
209 Pennsylvania Trolley Museum
 #660118  by octr202
 
60% of a fleet preserved is pretty darn good, in a world where many fleets were scrapped 100%.
 #688387  by MikeBPRR
 
Try Ron McGraw's "Red Arrow Lines." It's a little short of history on the SEPTA side because it was written in 1972, but it's excellent for everything before that.
 #692081  by JeffK
 
MikeBPRR wrote:Try Ron McGraw's "Red Arrow Lines."
A minor correction to help w/ searches, Mike - that should be Ron DeGraw.
 #716939  by MikeBPRR
 
I stumbled upon the WHYY special about the Ben Franklin Bridge transportation hub that wasn't. It said that there was supposed to be a huge trolley terminal underneath where the lightning statue is. Is the trolley terminal the reason why there's so much space between the two tracks at Franklin Square Station, or is the trolley terminal elsewhere?
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